Light passing through the normal of a surface

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The discussion centers on the behavior of light as it passes through the normal of a surface between two media, specifically addressing the concepts of refraction, reflection, and the conservation of frequency. Participants explore theoretical implications and clarify misconceptions related to these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why there is no refraction when light passes normally through a surface, despite the change in speed of light in different media.
  • Another participant explains that there is typically both refraction and reflection at normal incidence, providing a formula for the fraction of light reflected.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the representation of light in diagrams, noting that while light is drawn straight at normal incidence, there is still an implication of refraction.
  • Discussion includes the conservation of frequency, with participants noting that while the wavelength changes when light enters a medium, the frequency remains constant.
  • One participant compares the behavior of light to a driven circuit, emphasizing that frequency does not change regardless of the medium.
  • Another participant elaborates on how wavefronts behave at an interface, explaining that the continuity of the wavefront allows for changes in wavelength without altering the angle of incidence when light strikes normally.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conservation of frequency and the behavior of light at normal incidence, but there is some confusion and debate regarding the implications of refraction and how it is represented in diagrams. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of refraction at normal incidence.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference Snell's law and Brewster's angle, indicating that there may be additional complexities in the behavior of light that are not fully explored in the discussion.

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When light passes from one medium to other there is refraction but at the normal to the surface no refraction why? We know refraction occurred due to change in speed of light in the medium.

Also why frequency of light do not change in going from one medium to other medium (eg from air to glass or vice-versa)

thanks
 
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There usually always is both refraction and reflection for normal incidence. For an index of refraction n=1.5 from air (n=1), the fraction reflected is

F = (n-1)2/(n+1)2 = 0.04

The frequency of the light radiation is conserved, but in the medium, atoms absorb and re-radiate the light, causing a delay or reduction of the velocity.
Bob S
 
Bob S said:
There usually always is both refraction and reflection for normal incidence. For an index of refraction n=1.5 from air (n=1), the fraction reflected is

F = (n-1)2/(n+1)2 = 0.04

The frequency of the light radiation is conserved, but in the medium, atoms absorb and re-radiate the light, causing a delay or reduction of the velocity.
Bob S

thanks Bob :smile:

i understand what you said but when drawn a normal to the incident light its straight.At the normal let's have an incident light (normal incident) we always draw straight in the diagram or shall we say its just a diagram and let know that there is still refraction.Refarction changes normal path.Why draw straight :biggrin:

can you please elaborate the conservation of frequency.

thanks again
 
"Normal" means perpendicular to the surface. There are certain special angles where there is no relection of polarized light. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster's_angle
Bob S

re frequency: the light slows down and the wavelength gets shorter when it enters a refrective medium, but frequency is unchanged. In a sense it is like a driven electrical or mechanical circuit, where the driving term is A sin(wt). No matter what the circuit is, the frequency is unchanged.
 
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thanks Bob you are a great help :smile:

but this is still my question:

For a ray of light incident normally, there is no change in the direction of its path

Why? Is not there are a refraction when it passes from one medium to another? Refraction changes direction of path.:confused:

thanks
 
Consider a series of wavefronts incident on a medium at an angle. The rate (eg. 1 per second) at which the waves arrive at and leave the surface of the medium must be the same. Hence frequency is conserved and the wavelength changes.

If we represent the wavefront by a line then part of the wavefront in medium 1 has one wavelength a and in in medium 2 it has wavelegth b. The line has to be continuous (there is no break) so the angle with respect to the interface changes.

However, if the waves are incident normal to the interface then the change in wavelength can be accommodated without changing the angle. Indeed, why would they bend one way and not another?
 

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