Light & Photon: Explaining Wave vs Particle Theory

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The discussion revolves around the wave-particle duality of light, exploring how light behaves as a wave during transit and as a particle (photon) when observed. Participants delve into theoretical concepts, experimental evidence, and personal interpretations of these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light behaves like a wave while in transit, but is observed as a particle called a photon, raising questions about the nature of light.
  • Others reference the double slit experiment and the Compton effect as key examples demonstrating the wave and particle characteristics of light.
  • A participant suggests that light's energy exists in discrete quanta, which does not necessarily imply that photons are particles, but rather packets of energy, leading to confusion about their nature.
  • Some express a preference for conceptualizing light as a wave, arguing that many phenomena can be explained in wave terms with quantized energy, rather than viewing photons as particles.
  • There are repeated requests for clarification and recommendations for resources, such as a lecture by Richard P. Feynman, to better understand the concepts discussed.
  • One participant notes that light exhibits particle-like behavior in that it is absorbed in discrete packets, while also behaving like a wave in terms of its mathematical descriptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of light, with multiple competing views remaining regarding its wave and particle characteristics. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and uncertainties about the concepts involved.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of wave and particle, as well as unresolved questions about the implications of viewing photons as energy packets versus particles.

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Lately I've heard that when in transit, light is a wave. But when observed, its a light particle called photon.
Anybody care to explain?

Im quite a newbie on this subject, so don't be too rough on me.

Thanks !
 
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What you CAN say about light is that it behaves like a wave but that its energy exists in specific 'Quanta' of energy; you can't have less than the appropriate quantum of energy for a particular wavelength. This means that, for any interaction (i.e. being produced or being detected) the interaction involves a specific (tiny) amount of energy. So people say that individual Photons interact with atoms. This doesn't actually imply that the photons are particles - just discrete packets of energy. Many phenomena in Physics can give the 'impression' that photons are like 'little bullets' but this model brings in the question of how big they would be and many other phenomena are very hard to explain in terms of particles. I have never heard a convincing answer to this so I avoid thinking of Photons as particles - just little dollops of energy. It avoids a lot of confusion.
Most, if not all, phenomena can be 'explained' in just terms of waves in which the energy is quantised so don't feel bad about not 'getting' the particle idea.
 
sophiecentaur said:
What you CAN say about light is that it behaves like a wave but that its energy exists in specific 'Quanta' of energy; you can't have less than the appropriate quantum of energy for a particular wavelength. This means that, for any interaction (i.e. being produced or being detected) the interaction involves a specific (tiny) amount of energy. So people say that individual Photons interact with atoms. This doesn't actually imply that the photons are particles - just discrete packets of energy. Many phenomena in Physics can give the 'impression' that photons are like 'little bullets' but this model brings in the question of how big they would be and many other phenomena are very hard to explain in terms of particles. I have never heard a convincing answer to this so I avoid thinking of Photons as particles - just little dollops of energy. It avoids a lot of confusion.
Most, if not all, phenomena can be 'explained' in just terms of waves in which the energy is quantised so don't feel bad about not 'getting' the particle idea.

Thats how I've always pictured it. That light is a wave and that photon is a measurement of its energy. When I heard the sentence "Light is a wave in transit,"
it confused the heck out of me.
 
fawk3s said:
Lately I've heard that when in transit, light is a wave. But when observed, its a light particle called photon.
Anybody care to explain?

Im quite a newbie on this subject, so don't be too rough on me.

Thanks !

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html"

There is a complete lecture dealing with the double slit experiment and the quantum description of light by Richard P. Feynman... I highly recommend watching the lecture which will certainly clarify the issue for you...

Good Luck :smile:
 
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mubashirmansoor said:
http://research.microsoft.com/apps/tools/tuva/index.html"

There is a complete lecture dealing with the double slit experiment and the quantum description of light by Richard P. Feynman... I highly recommend watching the lecture which will certainly clarify the issue for you...

Good Luck :smile:

Is that video called "Probability and Uncertainty - The Quantum Mechanical View of Nature" ? I am asking because I don't have enough time to watch it right now, but just want to make sure its the right video.

Thanks
 
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fawk3s said:
Lately I've heard that when in transit, light is a wave. But when observed, its a light particle called photon.
Anybody care to explain?

Im quite a newbie on this subject, so don't be too rough on me.

Thanks !

Light is particle-like in that a packet will either be absorbed or not; it is all or nothing; it is observed to react or is misses.

Light is wave-like because the formulas for computing where it winds up are very similar to the familiar equations of waves.
 
fawk3s said:
Is that video called "Probability and Uncertainty - The Quantum Mechanical View of Nature" ? I am asking because I don't have enough time to watch it right now, but just want to make sure its the right video.

Thanks

Yeap... Thats it!
 

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