Light speed as the processing speed of the universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the idea of relating the speed of light to the processing speed of the universe, particularly in the context of whether the universe operates like a computer or cellular automata. Participants examine how light behaves in different mediums, such as water and opaque objects, and the implications of these behaviors on the concept of calculation within the universe.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants speculate that the speed of light could represent the processing speed of the universe, suggesting that it cannot exceed this speed because the universe cannot calculate outcomes faster than light.
  • One participant argues that light does not actually slow down in mediums like water, asserting that the absorption and re-emission of photons occur at the same rate, and the perceived slowdown is due to the interactions with the medium.
  • Another participant proposes that the continuous absorption and re-emission of photons could be interpreted as the "calculations" performed by the universe.
  • There is a suggestion that opaque objects might represent a "stop" command in this computational analogy, with some participants questioning how the universe behaves inside such objects.
  • One participant mentions that only the phase velocity changes in water while the group velocity remains at the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether light slows down in mediums and how this relates to the concept of the universe's processing speed. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of light's behavior in various contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the universe's computational nature and the definitions of processing speed and calculation, which are not fully explored or agreed upon by participants.

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I have seen speculation that if the universe is like a computer and/or runs like cellular automata, then the speed of light can be seen as the processing speed of the universe. You can't go faster because the universe can't calculate what will happen any faster than that. I think it may have been Stephen Wolfram who brought this up. What do you think of this idea?

Maybe it slows down in mediums like water because there is more calculation to be done.
 
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Maybe it slows down in mediums like water because there is more calculation to be done.

It does not slow down in water. Photons are absorbed and reabsorbed at the same rate, the difference is that water and other materials are different from a vacuum, so when they absorb and give off the same quanta of energy, they are again doing it in some direction that will cause this process to be repeated, so it just seems like overall it's slower, but it's really not.

- Bryan
 
kanzure said:
It does not slow down in water. Photons are absorbed and reabsorbed at the same rate, the difference is that water and other materials are different from a vacuum, so when they absorb and give off the same quanta of energy, they are again doing it in some direction that will cause this process to be repeated, so it just seems like overall it's slower, but it's really not.

- Bryan

Yes, but the continuous absorption/reabsorption would be the "calculations".
 
I guess opaque objects would be a "stop" command?
 
DaveC426913 said:
I guess opaque objects would be a "stop" command?

You're guess is probably better than mine. Maybe processing speed is not why light slows down. Maybe the universe stops calculating inside opaque objects, or does it very slowly. Maybe it does something totally different inside them. Who knows?
 
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only the phase velocity changes in water. the group velocity is still c.
 
DaveC426913 said:
I guess opaque objects would be a "stop" command?

No, a pause and a JMP ;)
 

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