Light Speed: Is Life Truly "Indefinable"?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of light in space, particularly regarding whether a laser beam continues to travel indefinitely after being emitted and how factors such as cosmic expansion and interstellar medium affect its propagation. The conversation touches on theoretical implications and observational phenomena related to light and the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a laser beam will continue to travel indefinitely unless it encounters an obstacle, such as a star or dust.
  • Others argue that the light will dim over distance due to the presence of a thin gas in space and the inherent divergence of the laser beam.
  • It is noted that photons from the laser beam will experience redshift due to the expansion of space, contributing to their dimming over time.
  • A participant questions whether the speed of light is affected by the expansion of the universe.
  • Another participant mentions that while galaxies are moving apart, this expansion is not strong enough to be considered a force that disrupts gravitational cohesion among galaxies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of cosmic expansion on light and the conditions under which a laser beam travels through space. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on the speed of light.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the uniformity of space, the nature of light propagation in a vacuum versus a medium, and the effects of cosmic expansion on light behavior, which are not fully explored.

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If light from long dead stars is only just reaching us, does this mean that if I shine a Lazer pointer into space, the light beam will continue long after I have turned of the power .. If this is true would a light beam continue to travel indefinably ?
 
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If light from long dead stars is only just reaching us, does this mean that if I shine a Lazer pointer into space, the light beam will continue long after I have turned of the power .. If this is true would a light beam continue to travel indefinably ?
Yes, the light pulse from your laser pointer will continue to travel out into space indefinitely, unless it hits something ( a star, a planet, gets absorbed by dust, etc.)
 
Actually, the light will dim slightly as it goes. This happens for 2 major reasons.

For one, the outer space isn't completely empty. It is actually a very thin gas, but it still blocks some of the light. The second reason is that a laser is not perfectly collimated, instead the light spreads (usually a few cm/km for laser pointers), and if someone looks at it from very far away it will be very dim.
 
also the photons that make up the laser beam will become redshifted with the expansion of space itself, causing them to become dimmer over a long period of time
 
that brings me to a question, is the speed of light, or indeed anything, affected by the expansion of the universe?
 
galaxies are getting further apart
it's not really fast enough to be thought of as a force however

but if the universe were to be expanding incredibly fast gravity wouldn't be able to hold the galaxies together for example
 

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