Light testing for leaks in a thin metallic membrane

In summary, the conversation discusses different methods for detecting pinholes and small cracks in a small, thin membrane. Suggestions include using a photomultiplier tube or avalanche photodiode, as well as machine vision systems. Other methods such as passing a current through the metal or using a solvent with flourescene are also mentioned. The importance of identifying the location of the defects is highlighted, as well as the need for automatic feeding and testing in production equipment.
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Is there automated equipment that can look for cracks in thin metallic membranes
We have a small (15 X 25mm), thin membrane (0.03mm thick) that we currently inspect for pinholes and small cracks manually by backlighting and inspecting under magnification, one at a time. Does anyone know of an instrument that can do this inspection for us, with a high degree of accuracy?
 
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You might try a photomultiplier tube.
 
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I don't know of anything 'off the shelf,' but there are a number of folks who could build that for you. Assuming that you want maximum information (magnitude, location) and flexibility, A 'vision system' is a good way to go. Contact National Instruments for a list of capable integrators (I'm sure that there are a lot of other options).
 
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A photomultiplier tube is off the shelf and you can count photons with it. There are also avalanche photodiodes available off the shelf. You don't need complicated intruments to look for light leaks. All that's required is the phototube (or avalanche photodiode), a power supply and an oscilloscope.
 
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I agree that a photomultipler could be a good solution. I guess it comes down to what 'a high degree of accuracy' means.
 
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Well, since a phototube can count photons at the single photon level. I'm not sure how much more accurate you could get. Those are used in spectrophotometers. They are sensitive enough that if there is enough light for you to see, it's way to bright for a photoutbe. Light through a pinhole ought to cause a phototube to go crazy.
 
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How is a phototube at logging the number and location of defects? This sounds like production equipment - that kind of information can be pretty useful, particularly if someone is trying to figure out where the production defects originate.
 
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Check out machine vision systems. I once put a request into a machine vision industry web site, and had a salesman call the next day. And he had exactly what we needed.

Think carefully about necessary resolution, because your application might only need VGA resolution. Also, monochrome, not color.
 
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Crack detection in metals can be done in a number of ways.

1. Pass a current through the metal and monitor the distribution of magnetic field using a magnetic fluid or dust. Cracks cause asymmetric currents, that distort the magnetic field.

2. Spin a metal disk in a magnetic field while detecting fluctuations in the field with a pickup coil. The AC signal detected is proportional to shape or anisotropic resistivity in the sample.

3. Wet the metal with a solvent containing flourescene. Dry the sample by evaporation, then observe under UV light. Cracks will wick fluid that will evaporate along the line and reveal the crack. Bulk treatment of the samples is possible, followed by automated scanning of the individual membranes.

4. Apply a pattern of 4⋅n electrical contacts to the metal membrane, maybe using a vacuum table. Imagine four of those contacts to the membrane as the corners of a balanced Wheatstone bridge, or a strain gauge bridge. Pass a fixed current through two opposite contacts while measuring the voltage difference between the orthogonal opposite pair. Look for voltage imbalance due to crack resistance asymmetry. Circulate the orientation of the measurement.

Automatic feeding and testing will need to know the format, size, shape and the material being tested.
 
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Dullard said:
How is a phototube at logging the number and location of defects? This sounds like production equipment - that kind of information can be pretty useful, particularly if someone is trying to figure out where the production defects originate.

The op did not ask about locating the holes or cracks. The op only asked about finding out whether or not there was one.
 
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That's not so clear in my reading, but I sense that you have to be right. So: OK.
 
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bobob said:
The op did not ask about locating the holes or cracks. The op only asked about finding out whether or not there was one.
If existing equipment could reliably identify the location of a hole or a crack then that would confirm the membrane was faulty. Restricting the choice of equipment to methods that detect the presence, but do not detect the position, will make it very hard to find an available existing solution. The vast majority of crack detection systems are designed primarily to reliably locate any crack.
 

1. How do you test for leaks in a thin metallic membrane using light?

The most common method for light testing for leaks in a thin metallic membrane is through a technique called "pressure decay." This involves applying pressure to one side of the membrane and then using a light source on the opposite side to detect any changes in the light intensity, which can indicate the presence of leaks.

2. What types of light sources are used in this type of testing?

The most commonly used light sources for testing for leaks in thin metallic membranes are lasers and LED lights. These sources provide a focused and intense beam of light that can easily detect any changes in intensity caused by leaks in the membrane.

3. Can light testing be used for any type of metallic membrane?

Yes, light testing can be used for any type of metallic membrane, as long as the membrane is thin enough for light to pass through and there is a difference in light intensity between the two sides of the membrane. This technique is commonly used for testing for leaks in fuel tanks, pipes, and other industrial applications.

4. Are there any limitations to light testing for leaks in thin metallic membranes?

One limitation of light testing is that it can only detect leaks on the surface of the membrane. If there are leaks within the layers of the membrane, they may not be detected through this method. Additionally, the size and location of the leak can also affect the accuracy of the results.

5. How reliable is light testing for detecting leaks in thin metallic membranes?

Light testing is a highly reliable method for detecting leaks in thin metallic membranes. It is a non-destructive and non-invasive technique that can provide accurate and immediate results. However, it is important to ensure that the testing equipment is properly calibrated and that the membrane is clean and free of any obstructions for the best results.

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