Light through difrent substances

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light as it travels through different substances, focusing on its speed, bending effects, and related experiments. Participants explore concepts related to light's speed in various media, the bending of light at interfaces, and phenomena such as superluminal propagation in crystals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether light travels at different speeds in different substances, noting that it always travels slower than in a vacuum.
  • There is a discussion about how light bends when it enters water or the Earth's atmosphere, with questions about whether it continues to bend or travels in a straight line thereafter.
  • One participant explains that a photon travels at the speed of light between atoms but is absorbed and emitted by atoms, creating a delay that makes it appear to travel slower.
  • Another participant mentions that the bending effect occurs at material interfaces, while inside the material, light travels in a straight line.
  • There is reference to an experiment where light appears to exit a crystal before it enters, with some participants attributing this to quantum properties and discussing concepts like group velocity.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the absorption of light by bonds in materials rather than atoms themselves, indicating a need for precision in terminology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the speed of light in different media and the implications of bending light. There is no consensus on the interpretation of superluminal effects or the specifics of light behavior in different contexts, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the need for clarity on definitions such as group velocity, phase velocity, and signal velocity, as well as the conditions under which light behaves differently in various substances. The discussion also highlights the complexity of light's interaction with matter.

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Does light travel difrent speeds through, difrent substances. I know it would always be traveling the same speed but would it apear to be traveling a difrent speed from bouncing off anything... or well I am not sure that's why I am asking lol. I heared about some kind of experiment where you shine a laser through some type of crystal and the light apears to exit the material before it enters :S
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for example when light hits water it bends this must in some way effect how fast it seems to be moving to us, does it keep bending as it goes through or just travel a straight line.
Or when light hits Earth's atmosphere from space does it bend like it would from air into water and if so does it continue to hit particles as it travels or just travel a straight line?
 
Light changes speed in different materials always slower than compared to vaccum.
In air it goes about 1.003 times slower, in diamond 2.4 times.
Actually a better way to think is that a photon travels at the speed of light between atoms, but when it hits an atom it is absorbed and emitted a very short time later. It is this delay which makes it look like the light is going slower.

The bending effect only happens at a change of material (an interface) in the material it goes in a straight line. When light enters the atmosphere from space it bends through a small angle like when a straw in a glass of water appears bent. You have to take this into account when measuring the position of stars.
 
phildoe said:
Does light travel difrent speeds through, difrent substances. I know it would always be traveling the same speed but would it apear to be traveling a difrent speed from bouncing off anything... or well I am not sure that's why I am asking lol. I heared about some kind of experiment where you shine a laser through some type of crystal and the light apears to exit the material before it enters :S
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I think some confusion here is due to the misconception that light always travels at c. This is not so. When light travels through media, be it gas liquid or solid, the media will (among other things) result in the group velocity of the wave being reduced.

The experiment you refer to is an application of the quantum properties of the photon, quantum entanglement or tunneling I believe, I can't recall exactly which.

Claude.
 
phildoe said:
for example when light hits water it bends this must in some way effect how fast it seems to be moving to us, does it keep bending as it goes through or just travel a straight line.
Or when light hits Earth's atmosphere from space does it bend like it would from air into water and if so does it continue to hit particles as it travels or just travel a straight line?

Please read the FAQ in this sub-forum.

Zz.
 
mgb_phys said:
Actually a better way to think is that a photon travels at the speed of light between atoms, but when it hits an atom it is absorbed and emitted a very short time later. It is this delay which makes it look like the light is going slower.
To be more correct it is not absorbed by the atoms but by bonds in the material - I oversimplified.
 
phildoe said:
I heared about some kind of experiment where you shine a laser through some type of crystal and the light apears to exit the material before it enters :S
Very confused

There have been several experiments where superluminal propagation APPEARS to take place. In all of these experiments, one needs to know what group, phase, and signal velocities are in order to understand why no violation of SR is going on. I think the specific example you gave about superluminal velocity in a crystal was done in 2002 by http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/3630 [1]. If you've figured out by now that the "group velocity" of the pulse was what was going superlumnial, you'd be correct. Maybe you are thinking of another experiment?

[1] A. Haché and L. Poirier, Appl. Phys. Lett. 80 (2002), p. 518
 

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