Lightweight Ceramic Solutions for Large Electrical Projects

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This discussion focuses on finding lightweight ceramic alternatives for large electrical projects, emphasizing the need for materials that provide electrical insulation, temperature resistance, and design flexibility. Participants suggest various materials, including glass microsphere-filled ceramics, Ren plastics, and thermoset polymers like Bakelite. Key properties of materials such as Lexan, Ultem, and Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene are also discussed, highlighting their thermal and mechanical characteristics. The conversation underscores the importance of balancing weight reduction with the required electrical and thermal properties.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of electrical insulation materials
  • Familiarity with thermal properties of polymers
  • Knowledge of composite materials like carbon fiber and aerogel
  • Experience with thermoset vs. thermoplastic polymers
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  • Research the properties and applications of glass microsphere-filled ceramics
  • Explore the thermal and mechanical properties of Ren plastics
  • Investigate the use of Bakelite and its safety considerations in machining
  • Learn about the characteristics and applications of Lexan and Ultem in electrical projects
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Engineers, material scientists, and project managers involved in large electrical projects seeking lightweight, high-performance materials for insulation and thermal management.

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I need ceramic for a very large electrical project. The problem I have is weight. I would like to find a material with all the properties of ceramic (electrical isolation, temperature insulation, armourment, ability to design for any shape), but it needs to be a lot lighter.

I thought there might be some types of plactics or fiberglas that I could use, but I've no idea.

Price won't be a problem. The material is needed. Anyone with ideas?
 
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Carbon Fiber

JMD
 
Last time I checked, CF was an electrical conductor not an insulator.

CF's got some great properties - some that exceed ceramic. But, insulation is my primary need. :)
 
Aerogel if it can take the heat.

How about a glass microsphere filled ceramic? It might lose a little compressive strength along with its weight loss but should otherwise retain electrical and thermal properties.

What temperature range are we talking about? I believe some of the Ren plastics can handle injection molding stress and temps. They list a casting resin here that goes to 408F for a 264psi deflection test:
http://www.freemansupply.com/tables/renepoxycasting.htm
And here's a laminating resin that's listed as 460F:
http://www.freemansupply.com/tables/renepoxylam.htm

Cliff
 
I remember testing the optical properties of some plastics that were supposed to have good thermal and mechanical properties. They were:

Lexan - reinforced with glass fibers
Ultem - as above
Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene
Polyetheretherketone
Duron

Some of them had deformation issues. They would deform long before melting.

Njorl
 
Njorl said:
I remember testing the optical properties of some plastics that were supposed to have good thermal and mechanical properties. They were:

Lexan - reinforced with glass fibers
Ultem - as above
Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene
Polyetheretherketone
Duron

Some of them had deformation issues. They would deform long before melting.

Njorl

Then perhaps a thermoset, rather than a thermoplastic polymer would be in order. Something like Bakelite?
 
Bakelite is very useful, but very toxic when you machine it. Be careful. I used it for a device once. I was lucky, I just drew up what I wanted and told some pros to make it.

Njorl
 
Where can I find chemicals for Bakelite? From what I've searched, it seems to be somewhat like fiberglas? I haven't found any detailed information about it - links anyone?
 

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