LIGO & Special Relativity: Is Spacetime Distortion Real?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between spacetime distortion caused by gravitational waves, as observed in the LIGO experiment, and the concept of length contraction in special relativity. Participants explore whether LIGO confirms the existence of length contraction in moving bodies, a phenomenon that has not been directly observed.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if the distortion of spacetime by gravitational waves is related to the contraction of objects in motion as predicted by special relativity.
  • One participant asserts that length contraction does not involve any "distortion of spacetime."
  • Another participant references Lorentz's belief that the Michelson-Morley experiment observed length contraction, expressing agreement with this view.
  • Participants mention that while there have been no direct tests of length contraction, certain experiments, like those involving cosmic ray muons, require its interpretation.
  • One participant explains that LIGO's observations are unrelated to length contraction, emphasizing the distinction between spacetime curvature due to gravitational waves and the geometric implications of length contraction.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "direct" tests of length contraction, with some arguing that all measurements could be considered indirect.
  • The distinction between direct and indirect tests is debated, particularly regarding the lack of practical tests for scenarios like the rod-and-barn paradox.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravitational waves and length contraction, with no consensus reached on whether LIGO confirms length contraction in moving bodies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of direct versus indirect tests of length contraction.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the lack of consensus on definitions of direct and indirect tests, as well as the unresolved status of whether length contraction has been observed in macroscopic objects.

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Is the distortion of spacetime by gravitational waves directly related to the contraction of objects in motion predicted by special relativity ?
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Besides the existence of the gravitational waves , did the LIGO experiment definitely confirm the contraction of the bodies in motion which had never been observed so far ?
 
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zoltrix said:
Is the distortion of spacetime by gravitational waves directly related to the contraction of objects in motion predicted by special relativity ?

No. SR length contraction involves no "distortion of spacetime" at all.

zoltrix said:
Besides the existence of the gravitational waves , did the LIGO experiment definitely confirm the contraction of the bodies in motion

No. See above.
 
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zoltrix said:
the contraction of the bodies in motion which had never been observed so far
Lorentz certainly believed that Michelson and Morley had observed it. I tend to agree with him on that point.
 
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zoltrix said:
... the contraction of the bodies in motion which had never been observed so far ?
It's worth googling for "purcell magnetism length contraction"
 
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At least some sources (e.g. the experimental basis of SR FAQ linked from this forum) do say that there have been no direct tests of length contraction. They mean that we've never actually carried out the rod and barn paradox experiment, and never imaged something moving fast enough that we'd expect to see length contraction. But there are many experiments that have been carried out that require length contraction for their interpretation - for example the cosmic ray muons, as well as the Michelson-Morley experiment and Purcell's explanation of the field around a current carrying wire already mentioned by others.

LIGO does not have anything to do with length contraction. Length contraction is closely related to the fact that a cylindrical rod, sliced diagonally, has an elliptical cross-section. A 3d slice (what we call "an object, now") through a 4d worldtube has a different shape depending on the angle between the worldtube and your definition of "now" - i.e., the object's velocity relative to you. This is a completely separate phenomenon from the specific type of curvature of spacetime which we call gravitational waves.
 
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Ibix said:
At least some sources (e.g. the experimental basis of SR FAQ linked from this forum) do say that there have been no direct tests of length contraction.
Where "direct" is a matter of convention. One could argue that all measurements we make are indirect. Is the point that length contraction was not tested for macroscopic objects?
 
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A.T. said:
Is the point that length contraction was not tested for macroscopic objects?
That's my reading of it, yes - we haven't done the rod-and-barn paradox scenario in practice. As you say, the distinction between a "direct" and "indirect" test is arguable, but at least some respectable sources do phrase it that way.
 
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