Limit definition of derivative problem

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = x - sqrt(x) using the limit definition. The initial attempt involves applying the limit as h approaches 0 and simplifying the expression, leading to the result of 1 - 1/(2sqrt(x)). A question is raised about alternative methods to solve the problem without using the conjugate, suggesting there may be multiple approaches. Additionally, there is clarification regarding the misconception that the limit definition yields zero, emphasizing that the ratio does not equal zero in this context. The conversation concludes with the participant acknowledging a previous mistake in their understanding.
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Homework Statement



Using the definition of derivative find f'(x) for f(x) = x - sqrt(x)

Homework Equations



None.

The Attempt at a Solution



lim h --> 0 : ((x + h) - sqrt(x + h) - x + sqrt(x))/h

1 - (sqrt(x + h) - sqrt(x))/h

Multiply by conjugate..

1 - h/(h*(sqrt(x) + sqrt(x+h)))

1 - 1/(sqrt(x+h) + sqrt(x))

lim as h --> 0 makes it: 1 - 1/2sqrt(x)

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QUESTION:

My question is, is there a way to solve this problem without multiplying by the conjugate? My friend says there's more ways but I don't see how?

Also, how come using the limit definition of derivative with
(f(x) - f(a)) / (x - a) yields zero?
 
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physicsernaw said:

Homework Statement



Using the definition of derivative find f'(x) for f(x) = x - sqrt(x)

Homework Equations



None.

The Attempt at a Solution



lim h --> 0 : ((x + h) - sqrt(x + h) - x + sqrt(x))/h

1 - (sqrt(x + h) - sqrt(x))/h

Multiply by conjugate..

1 - h/(h*(sqrt(x) + sqrt(x+h)))

1 - 1/(sqrt(x+h) + sqrt(x))

lim as h --> 0 makes it: 1 - 1/2sqrt(x)

-------------------------------------------------------
QUESTION:

My question is, is there a way to solve this problem without multiplying by the conjugate? My friend says there's more ways but I don't see how?

Also, how come using the limit definition of derivative with
(f(x) - f(a)) / (x - a) yields zero?

There are general rules for obtaining the derivative of powers like f(x) = x^k (k = any number, positive or negative).

RE: your second question: the ratio you write does NOT give 0. After all, you just finished finding the result for f(x) = sqrt(x) and a = 0: you did not get zero then, did you?
 
Ray Vickson said:
There are general rules for obtaining the derivative of powers like f(x) = x^k (k = any number, positive or negative).

RE: your second question: the ratio you write does NOT give 0. After all, you just finished finding the result for f(x) = sqrt(x) and a = 0: you did not get zero then, did you?

I got it, was making a silly error :biggrin:
 
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