Limit of a sequence on a metric space

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The discussion revolves around a problem in metric spaces, specifically regarding the convergence of a sequence within a dense subset. The original poster presents a scenario involving a sequence in a metric space and seeks to prove a limit condition related to distances from points in a dense subset.

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  • Participants explore the implications of density in the metric space and discuss the relationship between the sequences involved. There are attempts to apply the triangle inequality and considerations about controlling distances between sequences. Questions arise about how to manage the convergence of distances and the selection of appropriate indices for sequences.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions and clarifications. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of different subscripts for sequences, and there is recognition of the challenges in controlling distances. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations and approaches being explored.

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There are indications of constraints related to the definitions of convergence and the properties of dense subsets in metric spaces. Participants are navigating these constraints while attempting to formulate a coherent argument.

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Homework Statement .

Let ##(X,d)## be a metric space and let ##D \subset X## a dense subset of ##X##. Suppose that given ##\{x_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N} \subset X## there is ##x \in X## such that ##\lim_{n \to \infty}d(x_n,s)=d(x,s)## for every ##s \in D##. Prove that ##\lim_{n \to \infty} x_n=x##.

The attempt at a solution.

What I did was:
Let ##\epsilon>0##
##d(x_n,x)\leq d(x_n,s)+d(s,x)##. For each ##n \in \mathbb N## I know there is ##s \in D## such that ##d(x_n,s)<\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}##. But, this doesn't say anything, I don't know how find the ##N \in \mathbb N## such that for all ##n\geq N##, ##d(x_n,s)+d(s,x)\leq \epsilon##
 
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You know that D is dense in X. So, either:

x [itex]\in[/itex] D (in which case the result follows)

or

There is a sequence in D converging to x.

Can you take it from there?

It's a bit tricky, this one!
 
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PeroK said:
You know that D is dense in X. So, either:

x [itex]\in[/itex] D (in which case the result follows)

or

There is a sequence in D converging to x.

Can you take it from there?

It's a bit tricky, this one!

I'll give it another try with your suggestion:

As ##D## is dense in ##X##, there is a sequence ##\{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}## such that ##s_n \to x## when ##n \to \infty##.

By the triangle inequality,
##0\leq d(x_n,x)\leq d(x_n,s_n)+d(s_n, x)##. Again I have problems, because now I know that for a given ##\epsilon##, I can pick ##n_0## : for all ##n\geq n_0 \space## ##d(s_n,x)<\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}##, but how can I control the distance ##d(x_n,s_n)##?
 
mahler1 said:
how can I control the distance ##d(x_n,s_n)##?

You know something about ##d(x_n,s_m)## for any m. By choosing the same subscript for the two sequences, you boxed yourself in a bit!
 
PeroK said:
You know something about ##d(x_n,s_m)## for any m. By choosing the same subscript for the two sequences, you boxed yourself in a bit!

Sure, thanks for the help.

First, consider ##n_0## : ##d(s_n,x)<\dfrac{\epsilon}{4}## for all ##n\geq n_0##.

Now, I know that ##d(x_n,s) \to d(x,s)## for every ##s \in D##. Then, there exists ##n_1## such that for all ##n\geq n_1##, ##|(d(x_n,s)-d(x,s)|<\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}## for all ##s \in D##. This means ##d(x_n,s)<\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}+d(x,s)## for all ##s \in D## and for all ##n\geq n_1##.

If this inequality holds for every element in ##D##, in particular, it holds for every ##s_n \in \{s_n\}_{n \in \mathbb N}##. If I choose ##N=\max\{n_0,n_1\}##, then, for all ##n\geq N##, ##0\leq d(x_n,s)\leq d(x_n,s_n)+d(s_n,x)<2d(s_n,x)+\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}<2\dfrac{\epsilon}{4}+\dfrac{\epsilon}{2}=\epsilon##.
 
You've got the right idea, but you definitely need to use different subscripts for the two sequences. You've got a moving target for the convergence of d(x_n, s_n). Do you see the slight problem with what you've got?

It's also a good idea in general, because when you have two sequence like this, you don't always want to compare x_n with s_n. You want to fix a given member of s: s_m, say, and then consider the sequence d(x_n, s_m) as n →∞
 

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