Limit of Ratio of Difference of Trig Functions at $\pi/4$

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the ratio of the difference of trigonometric functions as \( x \) approaches \( \pi/4 \). Participants explore various approaches to compute the limit, including algebraic manipulations and the application of L'Hospital's Rule.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant begins by rewriting \( \tan(x) \) as \( \frac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)} \) to analyze the limit.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving substitution with \( x = \tan^{-1}(t) \) and derives that the limit approaches \( \sqrt{2} \) as \( t \) approaches 1.
  • A different approach is suggested where the limit is expressed as \( \frac{\cos x - \sin x}{\cos x(\sin x - \cos x)} \), leading to a simplification that results in \( -\frac{1}{\cos x} \) at \( x = \frac{\pi}{4} \).
  • One participant mentions the use of L'Hospital's Rule due to the \( \frac{0}{0} \) form, calculating the limit to be \( -\sqrt{2} \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present different approaches and results for the limit, with no consensus reached on a single value. The discussion reflects multiple competing views on the evaluation of the limit.

Contextual Notes

Participants utilize various mathematical techniques, including algebraic manipulation and L'Hospital's Rule, but the discussion does not resolve the discrepancies in the limit values derived from different methods.

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$$\lim_{x \to \pi/4} \frac{1-\tan(x)}{\sin(x)-\cos(x)}$$
progress:
I start with rewriting $\tan(x)=\frac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}$

 
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Re: Trig limit

Petrus said:
$$\lim_{x \to \pi/4} \frac{1-\tan(x)}{\sin(x)-\cos(x)}$$
progress:
I start with rewriting $\tan(x)=\frac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}$



Try writing...

$\displaystyle \frac{1 - \tan x}{\sin x - \cos x} = - \frac{1}{\cos x}\ \frac{1- \frac{\sin x}{\cos x}} {1 - \frac{\sin x}{\cos x}} = - \frac{1}{\cos x}$ (1)

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Re: Trig limit

Let $\displaystyle \ell = \lim_{x \to \frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{1-\tan{x}}{\cos{x}-\sin{x}}.$ Sub $x = \tan^{-1}{t} $ then $ x \to \frac{\pi}{4} \implies t \to 1$; also $\tan{x} = t$, $\displaystyle \cos{x} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+t^2}}$ and $\displaystyle \sin{x} = \frac{t}{\sqrt{1+t^2}}$. Thus $\displaystyle \ell = \lim_{t \to 1}\frac{1-t}{\frac{1-t}{\sqrt{1+t^2}}} = \lim_{t \to 1}\sqrt{1+t^2} = \sqrt{2}$.
 
Hello, Petrus!

A slightly different approach . . .

\lim_{x\to \frac{\pi}{4}} \frac{1-\tan x}{\sin x - \cos x}
\lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}} \frac{1 - \frac{\sin x}{\cos x}}{\sin x - \cos x} \;=\; \lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{\frac{\cos x - \sin x}{\cos x}}{\sin x - \cos x} \;=\;\lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{\cos x-\sin x}{\cos x(\sin x - \cos x)}

. . . =\;\lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{-(\sin x - \cos x)}{\cos x(\sin x - \cos x)} \;=\;\lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{-1}{\cos x} \;\;\cdots\;\; \text{etc.}
 
Petrus said:
$$\lim_{x \to \pi/4} \frac{1-\tan(x)}{\sin(x)-\cos(x)}$$
progress:
I start with rewriting $\tan(x)=\frac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}$



Since this goes to $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{0}{0} \end{align*}$, L'Hospital's Rule can be used.

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \lim_{x \to \frac{\pi}{4}}{\frac{1 - \tan{(x)}}{\sin{(x)} - \cos{(x)}}} &= \lim_{x \to \frac{\pi}{4}}{\frac{-\sec^2{(x)}}{\cos{(x)} + \sin{(x)}}} \\ &= \frac{-\left( \sqrt{2} \right)^2}{\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} + \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}} \\ &= \frac{-2}{\frac{2}{\sqrt{2}}} \\ &= -\sqrt{2} \end{align*}$
 

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