Limit theorems and determining convergence

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The discussion revolves around limit theorems and convergence, focusing on three specific problems that involve algebraic manipulation and the behavior of functions as n approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore various approaches to simplifying expressions and analyzing limits. Questions arise regarding the behavior of the sine function in relation to factorial growth and the implications of oscillating terms on convergence.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering suggestions for simplification and questioning the implications of certain terms. Some guidance has been provided regarding the behavior of specific expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the overall outcomes.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of denominators and the behavior of oscillating terms as n increases. Participants are also noting specific conditions under which certain terms simplify or behave predictably.

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I'm having some trouble getting my head around these 3 problems. Any ideas on how to approach them are welcome.
 
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Can you show us what you have tried?

You should be able to simplify the expressions in a) and c).

For b), take a look at the numerator and see what the values for the first few n are. Notice that n! is always an integer, so what can you determine about the possible values of sin(n! * pi /3) ? How does the (-1)^n affect those possible values? Can you determine a maximum possible value and a minimum possible value for the numerator? If so, what will happen to the value of the whole expression as n gets larger in the denominator?
 
The first few limits are straightforward. For part a), algebraic manipulation will get you to the correct answer (it does exist; I'll let you figure out what it is :). Try to think of how you can use the various powers of n. For part b), clearly, as n! gets larger, it contains a factor of 3 which cancels with the 3 in the denominator of the sine function. Thus, the sine function goes to zero and the sandwich theorem can be applied with ease.

As an edit, think about how you can simplify the third expression to get a limit that is far more intuitive to work with. After simplification, the limit will follow naturally.
 
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Thanks for the replies!

I'm having some trouble manipulating the denominator of a).

For b), I can see that whenever n>3 the sin term is 0. Since the (-1)^n-1 oscillates, does the expression diverge by unbounded oscillation?

For c), I can simplify it up to x^(3 - logx). After that I can't seem to go any further.
 
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Thanks for the replies!

I'm having some trouble manipulating the denominator of a).

For b), I can see that whenever n>3 the sin term is 0. Since the (-1)^n-1 oscillates, does the expression diverge by unbounded oscillation?

No, as the oscillation isn't unbounded. It clearly tends to a specific number. Try neglecting the sine term (as you can for n>3), and just look at (-1)^(n-1)/(n+1). As n increases, what does this get closer to?
 
Can it be... 0?!
 

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