Limits in case of 'vector functions'

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limits in the context of vector functions, particularly focusing on the application of these concepts in physics. Participants explore the definition and implications of the differential vector dr in relation to position vectors and their directions in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether dr, defined as lim Δr as Δr approaches 0, has a direction in space or if it is always along the vector r.
  • Another participant states that dr(t)/dt represents a tangent vector to the curve, indicating that dr has a direction tangent to the curve when t is a real variable.
  • A participant presents a scenario involving an electric field E as a vector field dependent on the position vector r, raising a question about the relationship between dr and the line element dl when calculating work done.
  • In response, another participant clarifies that dl is tangent to the curve, while dr points directly away from the origin, suggesting a distinction between the two vectors.
  • A further inquiry is made regarding the implications for dl if dy/dx cannot be expressed in a certain limit form, indicating a concern about the relationship between differentials and line elements.

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Participants express differing views on the directionality of dr and its relationship to dl, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Participants discuss the definitions and implications of vector differentials and their applications in physics, but the discussion does not resolve the mathematical nuances or assumptions involved in these definitions.

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Hi! I am an amateur to the world of calculus...
I have a doubt with the limits in case of functions which are vectors...
Actually, I require it's application in physics...
Suppose we have a vector r (all vectors in bold face), which represents the general position vector of a point on any arbitrary curve. Then is dr defined just as in normal functions, as lim [tex]\Delta[/tex]r
[tex]\Delta[/tex]r[tex]\rightarrow[/tex]0 ?
If this is the case will dr have any direction in space, depending upon the direction of [tex]\Delta[/tex]r, or will it be along r?
 
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For r(t), with t a parameter, dr(t)/dt will be a tangent vector to the curve. Since t is a real variable, dr will have direction tangent to the curve.

If the curve happened to be a circle, for example, dr will be perpendicular to r.
 
Actually, the problem I'm facing is as follows:
In a 3D space, there is an electric field E, which is a vector field and is a function of the position vector r. We have to calculate the work done i.e. E.Displacement in going from A (position vector a) to B (position vector b). In the book, they have divided the line joining A and B into elements with length dl. However, shouldn't dr
which is [tex]\Delta[/tex]r as [tex]\Delta[/tex] -> 0, as by vector addition dl is actually dr, the difference between r and r + dr?
 
No. In one case, dl is tangent to the given curve. In the other, because r is the position vector r is a "position vector" (the vector from the origin to the given point), dr points from the given point directly away from the origin.
 
You mean dr should point towards the point from the origin, along r ? Also, if dy/dx can't be expressed as
lim [tex]\Delta[/tex]x -> 0; [tex]\Delta[/tex] y / lim [tex]\Delta[/tex]x -> 0; [tex]\Delta[/tex]x,
as lim [tex]\Delta[/tex]x -> 0; [tex]\Delta[/tex] x = 0, what do we infer if we have a 'dl' element?
 

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