Limits of functions, inequalities (analysis)

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The discussion revolves around the limits of composite functions, specifically proving that if \( f(x) \) approaches \( y_0 \) as \( x \) approaches \( x_0 \), and \( g(y) \) approaches \( l \) as \( y \) approaches \( y_0 \), then \( g(f(x)) \) approaches \( l \) as \( x \) approaches \( x_0 \). Participants are exploring the implications of the definitions and theorems related to limits in the context of real analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss using sequences to demonstrate the limit properties, while others suggest applying the definition of limits directly. There are attempts to relate conditions on \( y \) and \( x \) to ensure the limits hold. Some participants question the validity of certain manipulations involving the function \( g \) and its properties.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on using the definition of limits directly, while others are examining the implications of theorems and definitions. There is no explicit consensus yet, as participants are still questioning assumptions and exploring different interpretations.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of limit definitions and theorems, with some expressing uncertainty about the application of certain properties of functions. The discussion reflects the challenges of proving limits in composite functions without assuming linearity or other properties that may not hold.

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Homework Statement



Assume:
1) f(x) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] yo as x [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] x0
2) g(y)[tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l as y [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] y0
3) g(y0) = l

Prove that g(f(x)) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l as x [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] x0


Homework Equations



Definition of function tending to limit - E is a subset of R, f:E->R, f tends to l as x tends to p if for all e>0 there exists a d>0 such that |f(x) - l | < e for all x in E such that 0 < |x-p|< d.

Theorem: f: E [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] R where E [tex]\subseteq[/tex] R, p is a limit point of E and l [tex]\in[/tex] R. The following are equivalent:
a) f(x) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l as x [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] p
b) for every sequence {pn} in E such that pn [tex]\neq[/tex] p and lim[tex]_{n\rightarrow\infty}[/tex] pn = p we have that f(pn) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l as n[tex]\rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\infty[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I thought I could use the above theorem with (1) to say that every sequence {xn} such that xn[tex]\neq[/tex] x0 and lim[tex]_{n\rightarrow\infty}[/tex] xn = x0, we have that f(xn) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] y0 as n [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\infty[/tex]

Similarly from (2) every sequence {yn} such that yn[tex]\neq[/tex] y0 and lim[tex]_{n\rightarrow\infty}[/tex] yn = y0, we have that g(yn) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l as n [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] [tex]\infty[/tex]

So, can I let yn = f(x) ( or maybe f(xn)?
Would this help show that g(f(x)) [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] l? I haven't used (3) or really shown this happens as x [tex]\rightarrow[/tex] x0.
 
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You don't need sequences to do this; you can use the definition of limit directly. Find a condition on [tex]y[/tex] that ensures that [tex]g(y)[/tex] is close to [tex]l[/tex], then find a condition on [tex]x[/tex] that ensures that [tex]f(x)[/tex] satisfies that condition on [tex]y[/tex].
 
From (3) I know for all [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0 [tex]\exists[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]1 > 0 such that |g(y)-l|<[tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all y such that 0<|y-y0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]1

Similarly from (1)
for all [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0 [tex]\exists[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]2 > 0 such that |f(x)-y0|<[tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all x such that 0<|x-x0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]2

Can I then do something along these lines:

|g(f(x)-y0)-l|
=|g(f(x)) - g(y0) -l|
=|g(f(x)) - 2l|

Is less than [tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all [tex]\delta[/tex]=min([tex]\delta[/tex]1, [tex]\delta[/tex]2) such that 0<|x-x0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]?
 
Kate2010 said:
From (3) I know for all [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0 [tex]\exists[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]1 > 0 such that |g(y)-l|<[tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all y such that 0<|y-y0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]1

Similarly from (1)
for all [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0 [tex]\exists[/tex] [tex]\delta[/tex]2 > 0 such that |f(x)-y0|<[tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all x such that 0<|x-x0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]2

Can I then do something along these lines:

|g(f(x)-y0)-l|
=|g(f(x)) - g(y0) -l|
=|g(f(x)) - 2l|

Is less than [tex]\epsilon[/tex] for all [tex]\delta[/tex]=min([tex]\delta[/tex]1, [tex]\delta[/tex]2) such that 0<|x-x0|<[tex]\delta[/tex]?

They are not correct because one can't ensure that g(f(x)-y0) is close to [tex]l[/tex] and of course g(y) is not a linear function to assign such a property to it that g(f(x)-y0) = g(f(x))-g(y0). Try to apply both the f(x) and g(f(x)) to the triangular inequality!

AB
 
How is this?

Let [tex]\epsilon[/tex]> 0
[tex]\exists[/tex][tex]\delta[/tex]1>0 such that |g(y)-l| = |g(y) - g(y0| < [tex]\epsilon[/tex]
[tex]\exists[/tex] ][tex]\delta[/tex]2>0 such that |f(x) - y0| < [tex]\delta[/tex]2
So for all x such that |x-x0|< min([tex]\delta[/tex]1,[tex]\delta[/tex]2) we have
|(gof)(x) - (gof)(x0)| = |g(f(x))-g(f(x0))| = |g(f(x)) - l| < [tex]\epsilon[/tex]
 

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