Line integral to calculate work

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force in a physics problem involving line integrals. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the differentiation of a variable related to the angle in the context of the work done by a force acting on a moving object.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between the variables x and θ, particularly how to differentiate x = L sin(θ) to find dx in terms of dθ. Some participants clarify the differentiation process, while others question the reasoning behind the steps taken.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the differentiation process and its implications. There is an exploration of the relationship between the functions involved, but no consensus has been reached regarding the overall approach to the problem.

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The original poster mentions that the force P in the y-axis is zero, which is a key assumption in the problem setup. Additionally, there is a suggestion to consider alternative methods involving energy and conservative forces, though this idea is not fully developed in the discussion.

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Hi. I have a concrete doubt with this problem. Here's the pic.

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It asks me to calculate the work done by force P (the ball moves with constant speed). So the solution is in the book and I understood everything, but the problem comes here,

the force P in axis y is zero so the work of P should be:

[tex]\int\limits_{{x_o}}^{{x_f}} {{P_x}dx}[/tex]

And we know that Px is equal to the tension in axis x so:

[tex]\int\limits_{}^{} {T\sin \theta dx}[/tex]

But we need to convert the variable dx into theta variable. And the books states that as:
[tex]x = L\sin \theta[/tex]
then:
[tex]dx = L\cos \theta d\theta[/tex]

But shouldn't it be:
[tex]dx = L\sin\theta d\theta[/tex]??

Why did it take the derivative of sine and not of x on the other side? Thank you!
 

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Given:
##~~~x = L sin(\theta)##

Differentiate w.r.t. θ:
##~~~\frac{dx}{d \theta} = L cos(\theta) ##

Rearrange:
##~~~dx = L cos(\theta) d\theta##
 
Sorry but what did you do in the second step (wrt?)? I think I'm understaning now but I still don't get it.

Thanks!
 
Differentiate both sides with respect to theta.
 
Whovian said:
Differentiate both sides with respect to theta.

Aham! So it would be an intermediate step there:

[tex]\frac{{dx}}{{d\theta }} = \frac{d}{{d\theta }}L\sin \theta[/tex]

I didn't know that you could take dO to the other side as a product. Thanks!
 
Think about it. If two functions are constantly the same, shouldn't their derivatives also be equal?
 
And could this exercise be solved easily using the concepts of energy and conservative forces? Then, how could I begin?

Thanks!

Edit. I'll create a new thread.
 

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