Linear Algebra - Basis and Kernel

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem involving a 5 x 4 matrix and its kernel. Participants are tasked with expressing a specific vector in the kernel as a linear combination of other vectors, while exploring the implications of the kernel's dimensionality and the relationships between the vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the kernel and question the implications of having a single vector in the kernel. There are inquiries about the definitions of the vectors involved and the meaning of a vector being in the nullspace of a matrix. Some participants attempt to clarify the relationships between the vectors and their roles in the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into the dimensionality of the kernel and the representation of vectors, while others are seeking clarification on the original problem statement and the notation used.

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There is some confusion regarding the notation and the specific vectors involved, as well as the dimensionality of the kernel. Participants are encouraged to clarify the problem statement and ensure accurate representation of the vectors.

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Consider a 5 x 4 matrix...

We are told that the vector,

1
2
3
4
is in the kernel of A. Write
v4

as a linear combination of

v1,v2,v3I'm a bit confused. Since this is a kernel of A, the kernel is a subset of R^m, therefore the other columns are linear combinations and therefore redundant. (since this is the only column represented) So, that means I can have the columns be anything I want, so why can't they just all be the same? Is this too easy or am I missing something?
 
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What are the vi here?
 
The v[tex]_{4}[/tex] seems like

1
2
3
4

since the problem is asking for v[tex]_{4}[/tex] to be written as a linear combination of [tex]\overline{v_{1}}[/tex],[tex]\overline{v_{2}}[/tex],[tex]\overline{v_{3}}[/tex]
 
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succubus said:
The v[tex]_{4}[/tex] seems like

1
2
3
4
What do you mean that v4 "seems like" the above? It either is or isn't a vector with coordinates 1, 2, 3, and 4.
succubus said:
since the problem is asking for v[tex]_{4}[/tex] to be written as a linear combination of [tex]\overline{v_{1}}[/tex],[tex]\overline{v_{2}}[/tex],[tex]\overline{v_{3}}[/tex]

I'm guessing that v1, v2, v3, and v4 are the columns of your matrix.

What does it mean that a vector x is in the nullspace of a matrix?
If you carry out the multiplication Ax, what do you get?
If you carry out the same multiplication, but using the vectors v1, v2, v3, and v4, what do you get?
 
Since this is a column of only 1 vector representing a kernel, would this represent a plane? I have the equation as
[tex]\overline{v_{1}}[/tex] + 2[tex]\overline{v_{2}}[/tex] + 3[tex]\overline{v_{3}}[/tex] + 4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex] = 0


First, I solve for [tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]

So is it

[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex] = c1(4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]) + c2(2[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]) + c3(3/4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex])

Referring to above poster.

When I read the question, it basically seemed confusing at first. I was thinking of it in terms of a redundant column vector. Now I'm thinking each number is the coefficient to the column vector and it represents a plane. Am I correct in assuming this based on the information?
 
Can you post your question, precisely as it is stated, with no shorthand use of pronouns? Just straight from the text.
 
I thought I had it exact, but my formatting is all wrong. I kept copying and pasting and realized that I ws calling v's x's. I fixed it. :/ Sorry for the confusion.
 
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succubus said:
Since this is a column of only 1 vector representing a kernel, would this represent a plane?
The problem states that [1 2 3 4] is in the kernel, not that it represents the kernel. We know that the kernel is at least 1-dimensional (a line through the origin). It might be that the kernel is 2-dimensional (a plane in 4D) or higher.
succubus said:
I have the equation as
[tex]\overline{v_{1}}[/tex] + 2[tex]\overline{v_{2}}[/tex] + 3[tex]\overline{v_{3}}[/tex] + 4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex] = 0


First, I solve for [tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]

So is it

[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex] = c1(4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]) + c2(2[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex]) + c3(3/4[tex]\overline{v_{4}}[/tex])
No, but I think you have the right idea, assuming that my interpretation of this problem was correct; namely, that v1, v2, v3, and v4 are the columns of A.. Try again, and be more careful with your subscripts.
succubus said:
Referring to above poster.

When I read the question, it basically seemed confusing at first. I was thinking of it in terms of a redundant column vector. Now I'm thinking each number is the coefficient to the column vector and it represents a plane. Am I correct in assuming this based on the information?
 

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