Linear algebra, basis, linear transformation and matrix representation

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem involving a linear transformation represented by a matrix and a vector in a specified basis. The task is to find the matrix representations of both the transformation and the vector in a new basis defined by specific vectors.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of change-of-basis matrices and their role in transforming vectors and matrices between bases. There is discussion about the relationship between the original and new bases, and some participants express confusion regarding the coordinates of vectors in different bases.

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Several participants have offered insights into the process of finding the change-of-basis matrix and its application to the given vector and transformation. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, with some questioning whether the new basis consists of eigenvectors. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and uncertainty regarding the steps involved.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions and properties of bases, particularly in relation to the canonical basis and the specific basis provided in the problem. There is also mention of the diagonalization of the transformation matrix and its connection to the eigenvalues.

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Homework Statement


In a given basis [itex]\{ e_i \}[/itex] of a vector space, a linear transformation and a given vector of this vector space are respectively determined by [itex]\begin{pmatrix} 2 & 1 & 0 \\ 1 & 2 & 0\\ 0&0&5\\ \end{pmatrix}[/itex] and [itex]\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 2 \\3 \end{pmatrix}[/itex].
Find the matrix representations of the transformation and the vector in a new basis such that the old one is represented by [itex]e_1 =\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 1 \\0 \end{pmatrix}[/itex], [itex]e_2=\begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ -1 \\0 \end{pmatrix}[/itex] and [itex]e_3=\begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\1 \end{pmatrix}[/itex].

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Not even sure.

The Attempt at a Solution


I suspect it has to do with eigenvalues since the problem in the assignments is right after an eigenvalue problem. I would not have thought of this otherwise.
It reminds me of 2 similar matrices, say A and B, then A=P^(-1)BP but nothing more than this.
I've found that the given matrix has 3 different eigenvalues, thus 3 eigenvectors (hence non 0 vectors) that are linearly independent (since the 3 eigenvalues are all different) and thus the matrix is similar to a triangular one with the eigenvalues 1, 3 and 5 on the main diagonal.
So now I know that there exist an invertible matrix P such that A=P^(-1)BP. But I'm really stuck at seeing how this can help me.
Any tip's welcome.
 
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First you'll need to find the change-of-basis matrix. That is, a matrix A such that if x are coordinates in the old basis, then Ax are coordinates in the new basis.

You know already what [itex]Ae_1,~Ae_2,~Ae_3[/itex] are. So can you use this to find the matrix A?
 
micromass said:
First you'll need to find the change-of-basis matrix. That is, a matrix A such that if x are coordinates in the old basis, then Ax are coordinates in the new basis.

You know already what [itex]Ae_1,~Ae_2,~Ae_3[/itex] are. So can you use this to find the matrix A?

Thanks for your help. I'm confused, I didn't know I knew what [itex]Ae_i[/itex] are.
Are these the column vectors of the first matrix of my first post?
 
fluidistic said:
Thanks for your help. I'm confused, I didn't know I knew what [itex]Ae_i[/itex] are.
Are these the column vectors of the first matrix of my first post?

Oh, no, sorry. I was thinking of the [itex]e_i[/itex]as the original basis.

So, if I rephrase it, you know what the image of (1,0,0), (0,1,0) and (0,0,1) under A are?
 
micromass said:
Oh, no, sorry. I was thinking of the [itex]e_i[/itex]as the original basis.

So, if I rephrase it, you know what the image of (1,0,0), (0,1,0) and (0,0,1) under A are?
Ah ok. :)
Hmm no either. [itex]\{ e_i \}[/itex] isn't necessarily the canonical basis as far as I know...
 
The coordinates of any basis is always (1,0,0), (0,1,0), (0,0,1). Regardless of whether it is the canonical basis.

By definition, the coordinates of a vector v with respect to [itex]\{e_1,e_2,e_3\}[/itex] are [itex](\alpha_1,\alpha_2,\alpha_3)[/itex] such that

[itex]v=\alpha_1e_1+\alpha_2e_2+\alpha_3e_3[/itex].

From this, we see that the coordinates of [itex]e_1[/itex] are always (1,0,0).
 
Hi fluidistic! :smile:

First let's define our symbols.
Let's call your linear transformation matrix A, and your vector v.

What you need is a matrix B that defines a basis transformation.
B is defined by the fact that for instance the unit vector (1,0,0) is transformed to your e1. That is: B (1,0,0) = e1.

Can you deduce what the matrix B is?

If you apply this B to your vector v, you'll find the represention of the v in the alternative basis.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi fluidistic! :smile:

First let's define our symbols.
Let's call your linear transformation matrix A, and your vector v.

What you need is a matrix B that defines a basis transformation.
B is defined by the fact that for instance the unit vector (1,0,0) is transformed to your e1. That is: B (1,0,0) = e1.

Can you deduce what the matrix B is?

If you apply this B to your vector v, you'll find the represention of the v in the alternative basis.
Hi!
Is [itex]B= \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 1 & 0 \\ 1& -1 & 0\\ 0& 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}[/itex]? It seems to work for me. Its columns vectors are the one given in the problem statement.
 
fluidistic said:
Hi!
Is [itex]B= \begin{pmatrix} 1 & 1 & 0 \\ 1& -1 & 0\\ 0& 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}[/itex]? It seems to work for me. Its columns vectors are the one given in the problem statement.

Yep, that's it! :smile:
It's simply the given unit vectors as columns of the matrix B.

Calculate Bv and you have your representation of v in the basis defined by B.

For your matrix A, you need B-1AB.
That is, first you transform a vector to the alternate basis (wrt which A has been defined), then you apply A, and then you transform the result back to your original basis.
 
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I like Serena said:
Yep, that's it! :smile:
It's simply the given unit vectors as columns of the matrix B.

Calculate Bv and you have your representation of v in the basis defined by B.

For your matrix A, you need B-1AB.
That is, first you transform a vector to the alternate basis (wrt which A has been defined), then you apply A, and then you transform the result back to your original basis.
I reached [itex]v'= \begin{pmatrix} 3 \\ -1 \\ 3 \end{pmatrix}[/itex]. And A' is a diagonal matrix with the eigenvalues of A as entries... (3, 1 and 5).
 
  • #11
That's it! :smile:

I'm surprised myself that A' is diagonal, but I see that it is.

In retrospect it is clear that it is, since the given basis consists of exactly the eigenvectors of A.
Note that A is diagonized by a base transition consisting of its eigenvectors.

I suspect this problem was intended to demonstrate this feature of eigenvectors.
 
  • #12
I like Serena said:
That's it! :smile:

I'm surprised myself that A' is diagonal, but I see that it is.

In retrospect it is clear that it is, since the given basis consists of exactly the eigenvectors of A.
Note that A is diagonized by a base transition consisting of its eigenvectors.

I suspect this problem was intended to demonstrate this feature of eigenvectors.

Yes it is. In my first post I saw that A was diagonalizable.
So [itex]A=P^{-1}A'P[/itex]. I didn't know that [itex]P^{-1}=B^{-1}[/itex].
I had calculated the eigenvalues of A, so that I think I had calculated A'. (Up to the order of the eigenvalue on the main diagonal, but I don't think it's relevant).
Is there a way I could have found P=B which is faster than the one I've done?
In other words, knowing A' from start, is there a quick way to solve the problem?
 
  • #13
Well, this problem is actually not about eigenvectors.
It's about a base transformation.
You can't assume that the new basis consists of the eigenvectors!
 
  • #14
I like Serena said:
Well, this problem is actually not about eigenvectors.
It's about a base transformation.
You can't assume that the new basis consists of the eigenvectors!

Ok. I think I understand. :smile:
Thanks guys!
 

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