Linear Algebra - Determinant Proof

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving a relationship for the determinant of a specific n x n matrix, where the main diagonal consists of 2s, the adjacent diagonals contain 1s, and all other entries are zeros. The original poster is tasked with expanding the determinant along the first row to establish the recurrence relation B_n = 2B_n-1 - B_n-2.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the structure of the matrix and the implications of the diagonal entries. There are attempts to use cofactor expansion for the determinant, with some participants expressing confusion about notation and the requirements for the proof. Questions arise regarding how to represent the matrix correctly and the significance of the n values in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem using cofactor expansion and the correct notation. There is acknowledgment of previous misunderstandings, and a few participants indicate that they are beginning to grasp the necessary steps to move forward with the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints related to the format of the submission, including the requirement to use "..." notation and to limit the proof to one page, which has led to some confusion and frustration regarding the presentation of the matrices and the proof structure.

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Homework Statement



Consider the n x n determinant in which each entry on the main diagonal is a 2, each entry on the two adjacent diagonals is a 1, and every other entry is a zero.

Expand along the first row to show that B_n=2B_n-1 - B_n-2

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The Attempt at a Solution



I drew out a matrix, B_n...see my crossed out example. I am not sure how to type out a matrix using latex. :blushing:

Also in my image you can see where I started the cofactor expansion along row 1. After a few entries, I realized this isn't even close to correct, so I stopped.

Now I am at a loss of how to proceed. We got some guidance from the professor, but I don't quite understand still. I've included his comments below.

Write out determinant B_n on paper using "..." notation. At least six (6) columns
should be written, to give enough detail. Then use cofactor expansion along row 1
to produce 2 determinants of order n-1. Finally, use column 1 cofactor expansion
on the second determinant to produce a determinant of order n-2. All of this can
fit one one sheet of paper
.

Any direction would be appreciated.
 

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It seems you haven't used this information at all:
"each entry on the main diagonal is a 2, each entry on the two adjacent diagonals is a 1, and every other entry is a zero."
 
Oh *****.

That's where the n-1 values come from. Ok...let's try this again.

That was a pretty stupid oversight.
 
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I guess where I am lost is he says to do it in dimension n and use the notation "...", examples won't count. If I use the original matrix I have all numbers, no n values, and no "..." notation.

Not to mention in the instructions it says it takes one page.

For me to write out b_n, b_n-1, b_n-2, and cofactor expansion for row one on each of the matrices, I am at three pages now. So there is no way what I am doing is right.

I also threw all three matrices into maple, solved for their determinants, tried them in the "proof" formula that is given and didn't get the right answer there either...-19=7.
 
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The n value determines the size of the matrix. Use cofactor expansion along a suitable coloumn or row to find the determinant in terms of B_(n-1) and B_(n-2).

Your matrix should look something like this

[tex]\begin{array}{cccccc}<br /> 2 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & \ddots \\<br /> 1 & 2 & 1 & 0 & 0 & \ddots \\<br /> 0 & 1 & 2 & 1 & 0 & \ddots \\<br /> \ddots & \ddots & \ddots & \ddots & \ddots & \vdots \end{array}[/tex]

with n rows and columns.
 
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Okay, that makes more sense.

We didn't really cover this in class, or what n-1 means, but now that you say that, it makes perfect sense.

Round three...
 
You are a genius!

I haven't written it out but I threw the whole thing, correct this time into maple. Now I get the correct answers.

Thank you.

Now I'll give it a go on paper.
 
It worked out. Took me four pages, but it got it.

Thanks again for the help.
 

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