Linear Algebra, Find the Determinant

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The discussion revolves around finding the determinant of a given matrix C using row reduction techniques. The original poster presents a matrix and attempts to apply a theorem related to determinants while performing row operations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to row reduce the matrix to find its determinant, expressing confusion over the impact of multiplying a row by 1/2 on the determinant's value. Some participants suggest avoiding multiplication or division of rows, advocating for other row operations instead.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights on the effects of different row operations on the determinant. There is a recognition of the original poster's approach and an exploration of alternative methods, though no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of adhering to specific row operations when calculating determinants, highlighting the implications of multiplying rows on the determinant's value. The original poster's confusion about the theorem and the resulting determinant value is also acknowledged.

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Find the determinant of C by first row reducing it to a matrix with first column 1,0,0,0. Show the row operations and explain how all this tells you the value of the determinant of C when you are done.

C=(2,0,-6,8;3,1,0,3;-5,1,7,-8;0,0,5,1) where ; indicates a new row.
We're suppose to use the theorem DET(Ek)DET(Ek-1)...DET(E1)DET(A)=DET(C)

The problem that I'm having is that I know the determinate of C is -244 (calculator). But when I use the theorem I get (1/2)(1)(1)(-144) for the determinant. It really appears to be the first row operations, if it was 2 instead of 1/2 it'd work. I can't figure out how to resolve this, below is my work.

The first row operation I did was 1/2R1->R1, then -3R1+R2->R2, and finally 5R1+R3->R3. This left me with the matrix
A=(1,0,-3,4;0,1,9,-9;0,1,-8,12;0,0,5,1)
Hence the (1/2)(1)(1)(-144) for the determinant.
 
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Multiplying a row in the matrix by 1/2 gives you 1/2 the original determinant, so to get the same number at the end, you want to multiply by 2 to cancel the 1/2

2*(1/2)det(A) = 2*(det(A with the first row multiplied by 1/2))
 
When finding the determinant, it is better NOT to multiply or divide a line by anything. Use only the row operations of "swap two rows" and "add a multiple of one row to another".

Here you have
\left|\begin{array}{cccc}2 & 0 & -6 & 8 \\ 3 & 1 & 0 & 3 \\ -5 & 1 & 7 & -8\\ 0 & 0 & 5 & 1\end{array}\right|
Subtract 3/2 the first row (or add -3/2 the first row) from the second and add 5/2 the first row to the third to get
\left|\begin{array}{cccc}2 & 0 & -6 & 8 \\ 0 & 1 & 9 & -9 \\ 0 & 1 & -8 & 12\\ 0 & 0 & 5 & 1\end{array}\right|
 
HallsofIvy said:
When finding the determinant, it is better NOT to multiply or divide a line by anything. Use only the row operations of "swap two rows" and "add a multiple of one row to another".

Thanks this works out just great.
 

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