Linear Algebra - Gram-Schmidt Process

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The discussion revolves around the Gram-Schmidt process applied to the basis vectors {u1, u2} in R2, specifically focusing on transforming them into an orthonormal basis. The vectors are defined as u1 = (1, -3) and u2 = (2, 2).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants describe their attempts to apply the Gram-Schmidt process, including calculating norms and adjusting vectors. There are questions about the correctness of the normalization step for v2 and whether computational errors could affect the orthonormality of the resulting basis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified potential errors in the normalization process and are exploring the implications of these errors on the orthonormal basis. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the notation used in the problem, and suggestions for verifying the orthonormality of the vectors have been raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may involve confusion between the original vectors u and the transformed vectors v, which could affect their calculations. There is also mention of checking the norms of the final vectors to ensure they equal one.

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Homework Statement


Let R2 have the Euclidean inner product and use the Gram-Schmidt process to transform the basis {u1,u2} into an orthonormal basis.

u1 = (1,-3)
u2 = (2,2)

Homework Equations



Gram-Schmidt process:

<br /> \\v_1 = u_1<br /> \\v_2= u_2 -<br /> <br /> \frac{\left ( \left \langle u_2, v_1\right \rangle \right )}{\left \|<br /> v_1<br /> <br /> \right \| ^ 2}v_1<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



We'll go ahead and find the norm of v first. Then we'll evaluate the second Gram-Schmidt equation.

<br /> \\\left \| v_1 \right \| = \sqrt{10} \\\\<br /> \left \| v_1 \right \|v_1 = u_1 = (1,-3)<br /> \\\\\left \| v_2 \right \|v_2= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} -<br /> <br /> \frac{\left ( \left \langle \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} , \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} \right \rangle \right )}{\left \| \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} \right \| ^ 2}<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}\\\\\left \| v_2 \right \|v_2= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} - \frac{\left ( \frac{-4}{\sqrt{10}} \right )}{1} \begin{bmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}} \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \\\\<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> - \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{-4}{10}\\\\\frac{12}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{24}{10}\\\\\frac{8}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{12}{5}\\\\\frac{4}{5}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

I've not been able to get another answer for this step. Even checked in Matlab.

Now, we'll normalize the vector like the problem wants us to:
<br /> \\\left \| v_2 \right \| = \sqrt{8}<br /> \\<br /> v_2 = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{\frac{12}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}\\<br /> \frac{\frac{4}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{\frac{12}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}\\<br /> \frac{\frac{4}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{12}{10\sqrt{2}}\\\\<br /> \frac{4}{10\sqrt{2}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{6}{5\sqrt{2}}\\\\<br /> \frac{2}{5\sqrt{2}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{6\sqrt{2}}{10}\\\\<br /> \frac{2\sqrt{2}}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{3\sqrt{2}}{5}\\\\<br /> \frac{\sqrt{2}}{5}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

This is an odd problem, so I know that the solution should be v_2 = (\frac{3}{\sqrt{10}} , \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}). There must be something wrong when I'm finding ||v_2||v_2 . Is there anything fundamentally wrong with my process?
 
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joe_cool2 said:

Homework Statement


Let R2 have the Euclidean inner product and use the Gram-Schmidt process to transform the basis {u1,u2} into an orthonormal basis.

u1 = (1,-3)
u2 = (2,2)

Homework Equations



Gram-Schmidt process:

<br /> \\v_1 = u_1<br /> \\v_2= u_2 -<br /> <br /> \frac{\left ( \left \langle u_2, v_1\right \rangle \right )}{\left \|<br /> v_1<br /> <br /> \right \| ^ 2}v_1<br />

The Attempt at a Solution



We'll go ahead and find the norm of v first. Then we'll evaluate the second Gram-Schmidt equation.

<br /> \\\left \| v_1 \right \| = \sqrt{10} \\\\<br /> \left \| v_1 \right \|v_1 = u_1 = (1,-3)<br /> \\\\\left \| v_2 \right \|v_2= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} -<br /> <br /> \frac{\left ( \left \langle \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} , \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} \right \rangle \right )}{\left \| \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} \right \| ^ 2}<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}\\\\\left \| v_2 \right \|v_2= \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix} - \frac{\left ( \frac{-4}{\sqrt{10}} \right )}{1} \begin{bmatrix} \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}\\ \frac{-3}{\sqrt{10}} \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \\\\<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> 2\\2<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> - \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{-4}{10}\\\\\frac{12}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{24}{10}\\\\\frac{8}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{12}{5}\\\\\frac{4}{5}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

I've not been able to get another answer for this step. Even checked in Matlab.
If you get rid of a common factor of 4/5, you have ##\vec{v}_2 = \begin{bmatrix} 3 \\ 1 \end{bmatrix}##.

Now, we'll normalize the vector like the problem wants us to:
<br /> \\\left \| v_2 \right \| = \sqrt{8}<br /> \\<br /> v_2 = \begin{bmatrix}<br /> \frac{\frac{12}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}\\<br /> \frac{\frac{4}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{\frac{12}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}\\<br /> \frac{\frac{4}{5}}{\sqrt{8}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{12}{10\sqrt{2}}\\\\<br /> \frac{4}{10\sqrt{2}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{6}{5\sqrt{2}}\\\\<br /> \frac{2}{5\sqrt{2}}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{6\sqrt{2}}{10}\\\\<br /> \frac{2\sqrt{2}}{10}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> =<br /> <br /> \begin{bmatrix}<br /> <br /> \frac{3\sqrt{2}}{5}\\\\<br /> \frac{\sqrt{2}}{5}<br /> <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br />

This is an odd problem, so I know that the solution should be v_2 = (\frac{3}{\sqrt{10}} , \frac{1}{\sqrt{10}}). There must be something wrong when I'm finding ||v_2||v_2 . Is there anything fundamentally wrong with my process?
 
Ok. So I gather that my answer is not technically wrong? How can I verify that my original answer is in fact an orthonormal basis spanning the same subspace?

I guess if I make computational errors, it will be unlikely that all the dot products in some generated set of vectors is zero. Right?
 
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Your answer is wrong. You didn't normalize the vector correctly.
 
Ah, I see that I accidentally used the norm of u2 instead of v2 to normalize v2. The book confused me by switching up u's and v's.

Checking to see if the norm of the final vectors is one would also be a useful trick.
 

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