[Linear Algebra] Pulling two vectors out of a one equation matrix.

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The discussion revolves around determining a basis for the eigenspaces of a given matrix and assessing whether the matrix is defective. The matrix in question is a 3x3 matrix with specific eigenvalues and eigenvectors that are being explored.

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  • Participants discuss the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly focusing on the eigenvalue with multiplicity. There is confusion regarding the extraction of additional eigenvectors and the implications of coefficients being zero in the equations.

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Participants are actively questioning assumptions about the eigenvector solutions and exploring the implications of the coefficients in the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of solutions when coefficients are zero, but there is no explicit consensus on the resolution of the misunderstanding.

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There is an indication that the original poster may have constraints in understanding the implications of zero coefficients in the context of eigenvector equations. The discussion reflects a common challenge in linear algebra related to eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Homework Statement


Determine a basis for each eigenspace and whether or not the matrix is defective.

\begin{array}{ccc}
3 & -4 & -1 \\
0 & -1 & -1 \\
0 & -4 & 2 \end{array}

Homework Equations


Regular ol' eigenvector, eigenvalue business.


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, so I've found the eigenvalues first with no problem. λ_1 = 3 (with multiplicity 2) and λ_2 = -2. My misunderstanding comes with finding the eigenvectors with λ_1. Gauss-Jordan with the new augmented matrix gives me:

\begin{array}{ccc}
0 & 1 & 1/4 & | & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & | & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & | & 0\end{array}

Let x_3 = r and this tells me that x_1 = 0r, x_2 = -1/4r and so the eigenvector is (0, -1/4, 1). This then leads me to believe the matrix will be defective as I will only be able to get 1 more eigenvector out of λ_2 = -2 as this matrix has been exhausted.

Lo and behold! In the back of the book, they were able to extract another vector out of the matrix above: (1, 0, 0). This would then give us three total eigenvectors which is indeed a basis and makes the matrix nondefective. So, my question is, how did they get another vector out of that thing?

Thanks in advance,
Jeff
 
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jeff.berhow said:

Homework Statement


Determine a basis for each eigenspace and whether or not the matrix is defective.

\begin{array}{ccc}
3 & -4 & -1 \\
0 & -1 & -1 \\
0 & -4 & 2 \end{array}

Homework Equations


Regular ol' eigenvector, eigenvalue business.


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, so I've found the eigenvalues first with no problem. λ_1 = 3 (with multiplicity 2) and λ_2 = -2. My misunderstanding comes with finding the eigenvectors with λ_1. Gauss-Jordan with the new augmented matrix gives me:

\begin{array}{ccc}
0 & 1 & 1/4 & | & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & | & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & | & 0\end{array}

Let x_3 = r and this tells me that x_1 = 0r, x_2 = -1/4r and so the eigenvector is (0, -1/4, 1). This then leads me to believe the matrix will be defective as I will only be able to get 1 more eigenvector out of λ_2 = -2 as this matrix has been exhausted.

Lo and behold! In the back of the book, they were able to extract another vector out of the matrix above: (1, 0, 0). This would then give us three total eigenvectors which is indeed a basis and makes the matrix nondefective. So, my question is, how did they get another vector out of that thing?

Thanks in advance,
Jeff

Uh, [1,0,0] is an eigenvector corresponding to the eigenvalue 3. Why do you think x1 must be 0?
 
I guess, because it's not explicitly stated in the equation: 0x1 + x2 + (1/4)x3 = 0. If a variable has a coefficient of zero in an equation, is it assumed to be one? I feel I'm missing something very elementary here, haha.
 
jeff.berhow said:
I guess, because it's not explicitly stated in the equation: 0x1 + x2 + (1/4)x3 = 0. If a variable has a coefficient of zero in an equation, is it assumed to be one? I feel I'm missing something very elementary here, haha.
(α, 0, 0) is a solution of 0x1 + x2 + (1/4)x3 = 0 for any α. If α nonzero then it is a nontrivial solution. You can pick what nonzero value you like for α, but if you want a vector magnitude 1 then clearly you'll pick ±1.
 
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Thanks! Of course it was something obvious. I seem to have a real problem with such obvious things.
 

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