Linear Algebra - Representing Matrix

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The problem involves finding the representing matrix for a linear transformation defined as L: P2 → P3, where the transformation is given by L(p) = p' + q*p with q(x) = x. The bases for the polynomial spaces are specified as {1+x, x+x^2, 1+x^2} for P2 and {1, x, x+x^2, 1+x^3} for P3.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct interpretation of the transformation and the polynomial bases involved. There are attempts to evaluate the transformation at the basis polynomials and express the results in terms of the second basis. Questions arise regarding the correctness of polynomial representations and the process of constructing the matrix.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on evaluating the transformation at the basis polynomials and expressing the outputs in terms of the second basis. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct setup and calculations, with some participants confirming the validity of the matrix derived from the evaluations.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the distinction between R2 and P2, as well as R3 and P3, particularly in terms of their dimensions and the nature of the transformation. Participants express uncertainty about the steps required to complete the task and seek examples for clarification.

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Homework Statement


The Question:

The map is given: L\rightarrow \Re_{2} \rightarrow \Re_{3}, p \rightarrow p' + q*p , with q(x) = x.
Now i should find the representing matrix for L with respect to the bases {1+x, x+x2, 1+x2} for \Re_{2} and {1,x,x+x2,1+x3} for \Re_{3}.


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know what i should do here ^^. But i tried to calculate it.
p is the polynomial, so i thought its like this:
p = a0(1+x) + a2(x+x^2) + a3(1+x^2)

So i can calculate p\rightarrow p' +q*p:
p\rightarrow a_{0}+a_{1} + 3a_{1}x + a_{0}x + 2a_{2}x^2 + 2a_{1}x^2 + 2a_{2}x^3

Then i just counted the coressponding values together, means
a0 ~ 1+x --> 1 + 1 + 0 + 0
a1 ~ x+x2 --> 1 + 3 + 2 + 0
a2 ~ 1+x2 --> 0 + 0 + 2 + 2

Puting this all together gives the repr. Matrix
| 1 1 0 |
| 1 3 0 |
| 0 2 2 |
| 0 0 2 |

Is this somehow correct or completely wrong? ^^
I'm missing the second base here..
Does anyone knows a good website (linear algebra 1) ? I have exam in little more than week and still a lot to learn.

Thx
Mumba
 
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Mumba said:

Homework Statement


The Question:

The map is given: L\rightarrow \Re_{2} \rightarrow \Re_{3}, p \rightarrow p' + q*p , with q(x) = x.
Now i should find the representing matrix for L with respect to the bases {1+x, x+x2, 1+x2} for \Re_{2} and {1,x,x+x2,1+x3} for \Re_{3}.


The Attempt at a Solution



I don't know what i should do here ^^. But i tried to calculate it.
p is the polynomial, so i thought its like this:
p = a0(1+x) + a2(x+x^2) + a3(1+x^2)

So i can calculate p\rightarrow p' +q*p:
p\rightarrow a_{0}+a_{1} + 3a_{1}x + a_{0}x + 2a_{2}x^2 + 2a_{1}x^2 + 2a_{2}x^3

Then i just counted the coressponding values together, means
a0 ~ 1+x --> 1 + 1 + 0 + 0
a1 ~ x+x2 --> 1 + 3 + 2 + 0
a2 ~ 1+x2 --> 0 + 0 + 2 + 2

Puting this all together gives the repr. Matrix
| 1 1 0 |
| 1 3 0 |
| 0 2 2 |
| 0 0 2 |

Is this somehow correct or completely wrong? ^^
I'm missing the second base here..
Does anyone knows a good website (linear algebra 1) ? I have exam in little more than week and still a lot to learn.

Thx
Mumba
Your transformation is not a map from R2 to R3 - it's a map from P2 to P3, where P2 is the function space of polynomials of degree <= 2, and P3 is the function space of polynomials of degree <= 3.
 
yes, we called it R.
sorry i meant the same. A transformations from <=2 to <=3...
 
But R2 is not the same as P2, nor is R3 the same as P3. The dimension of R2 is 2, while the dimension of P2 is 3.

For this problem I would advise you to evaluate L at each of the three basis polynomials. Then write those three output polynomials in terms of the second basis. That should give you an idea of what the matrix for this transformation is.
 
Mark44 said:
For this problem I would advise you to evaluate L at each of the three basis polynomials.

But this is what i wanted to do ^^.
But i don't know how. I ve never seen this before...
Thats why i asked is that Polynomial correct the way i have written it down?

Maybe you can give me an example, let's say for 1+x...
What should i do with this?
Sorry but i really don't know...:(
 
Your formula is L(p) = p' + xp, so L(1 + x) = 1 + x(1 + x) = 1 + x + x^2. Do the same thing for the other two basis polynomials.
 
Thx!
then i get for:
L(x+x^2)=1+2x+x(x+^2)= 1 +2x+x^2+x^3
L(1+x^2)=2x+x(1+x^2)=3x+x^3

You said: write those three output polynomials in terms of the second basis.

so if i did this correct i get for
1+x --> 1 0 1 0
x+x^2 --> 0 1 1 1
1+x^2 --> -1 3 0 1

so my matrix is
1 0 -1
0 1 3
1 1 0
0 1 1

is this ok?
 
yeah its good
thx mate! ;)
 

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