Linear algebra - System of differential equations

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The discussion revolves around a system of linear differential equations related to heat transfer between different regions, specifically in a building context. Participants are tasked with setting up the equations based on given temperature flows and initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the setup of differential equations based on temperature differences and heat flows. There is uncertainty about the initial conditions and the interpretation of the diagram provided. Some participants suggest defining variables for the temperatures as functions of time.

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There is ongoing exploration of the equations and initial conditions, with some participants verifying their formulations. Questions remain regarding the assumptions made about specific heat and the implications of the outside temperature remaining constant. The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the feasibility of reaching certain temperatures.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about specific heat and the behavior of temperatures over time. There is mention of the outside temperature being constant and concerns about the implications of the equations derived.

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I'm a bit confused on how to do this problem, here is what I have.

Part a)
I must set up the set of linear differential equations with the initial values.

Using the balance law gives
y0'=0.2+0.1-0.2-0.1=0
The other 2 net rate of change would be equal to 0 as well.

But...I don't think I did that right.
 

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I would think the flows would be proportional to the temperature differences. If so, the numbers shown on the diagram are coefficients for that.
You will need to invent variables for the three temperatures as functions of time, yes?
(It's not clear to me which box is which in the diagram. Hope it is to you.)
 


For example, "0" is losing heat to "1" at 0.2 times its temperature and is losing heat to "2" at 0.1 its temperature. It is losing heat at a total of [itex]0.3y_0[/itex]. But it is gaining heat from "1" at [itex]0.2y_1[/itex] and from "2" at [itex]0.1y_2[/itex]. The equation is [itex]y_0'= 0.2y_1+ 0.1y_2- 0.3y_0[/itex] and similarly for the others.
 


Oh thank you guys, I see what I need to do.

Yeah, I was also confused what area each box was referring to. I'm assuming 1 represents the 1st floor and 2 the second. That leaves 0 as the outside, but I could be wrong.
 


Revisiting this problem.

Would the initial conditions be

y
0
(0)=0
y1(0)=70
y2(0)=60
?
 


Sure. What ODEs do you get?
 


I got
Y0'=-0.3y0+0.2y1+0.1y2
Y1'=0.2y0-0.7y1+0.5y2
Y2'=0.1y0+0.5y1-0.6y2
Y0(0)=0
Y1(0)=70
Y2(0)=60

The eigenvslues are really ugly
 


pyroknife said:
I got
Y0'=-0.3y0+0.2y1+0.1y2
I don't think heat escaping the house will do much to outside temperature.
Y1'=0.2y0-0.7y1+0.5y2
Y2'=0.1y0+0.5y1-0.6y2
There's an assumption in there that the two parts of the house have the same specific heat. I suppose you have to assume that.
 


Hmm I don't think we're supposed to think too Much about thermodynamics for this problem.

Do those equations and ICs look right?
 
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pyroknife said:
Do those equations and ICs look right?
It's pretty clear that outside temperature would be constant. Other than that, yes.
 
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Hmmmm...something is not right. Part c of the problem asks to compute the time required for each floor to reach 32 degrees fahrenheit.

This does not seem possible.

I attached the solutions (solved using wolframalpha). X(t) represents the solution to the outside, y(t) represents 1st floor and z(t) the 2nd.
I verified these solutions are correct and satisfy the ICs.

The x(t) equatoin was able to be solved for t. It takes t=1.9 (idk units) to reach 32 degrees.

However, look @ the y(t) and z(t) equations.
The y(t) cannot be solved for y(t)=32. All the terms are positive and each exponential can't be negative.
z(t) can be solved for t, but that gives you a negative time..

Hmm, I don't understand this or maybe this is the answer to the question?
That x=32 when t=1.9
y=32 is not possible
z=32 requires a negative time, and thus, not possible?
 

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By treating each of the three regions as a closed space of the same specific heat, it was inevitable that the limiting temperature for all three would be the average of the three temperatures you started with. It follows from that that the spaces that started above that average might never make it below that average (and at least one of them would not).
I'll say it again: it is completely obvious that the outside will stay at 0. Put that in and you will get sensible answers.
 

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