Linear Combos of Y; eigenfunction of L_x

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The discussion revolves around finding linear combinations of spherical harmonics Y_10, Y_11, and Y_1-1 that serve as eigenfunctions of the operator L_y. The original poster is attempting to solve a system of equations derived from the eigenvalue equation involving these functions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the problem using a linear combination of the spherical harmonics and the implications of the eigenvalue equation. There are attempts to express the system of equations in matrix form and to determine the eigenvalues associated with the matrix.

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The conversation is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem using matrix methods. The original poster expresses uncertainty about solving the equations for the coefficients a, b, and c after substituting the eigenvalues.

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There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the mathematical methods necessary to solve the system of equations, as well as the original poster's admission of difficulty in understanding the process of finding eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Homework Statement



I have to find the linear combinations of Y_10, Y_11, and Y_1-1 that are eigenfunctions of L_y. There are three such combinations...

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The Attempt at a Solution



Starting from (L_y)(psi_y)=(alpha)(psi_y),
Using the relationshiP: psi_y= aY_11 + bY_10 + cY_1-1
And: L_y=(i/2)(L_(-) - L_(+))

I solved it to the point where I got to:
(alpha)(psi_y) = (alpha)aY_11 + (alpha)bY_10 + (alpha)cY_1-1 = (i/sqrt(2))(bY_1-1 - bY_11 + (a-c)Y_10)

What I have to solve is this system of equations for when alpha=0, 1, -1:
(ib/sqrt(2)) = (alpha)c
(-ib/sqrt(2) = (alpha)a
i(a-c)/sqrt(2) = (alpha)b

So for instance, when alpha=-1, the answers I know are: a=1/2, c=-1/2, b=-i/sqrt(2).

Which gives one of the three linear combinations: psi_y=(1/2)Y_11 - (i/sqrt(2))Y_10 - (1/2)Y_1-1.



However, I have no idea how to solve that system of equations, though I really feel like I should :( So I guess it really boils down to me not knowing the math... help..?
 
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Do you know how to find eigenvalues and eigenvectors? You have three simultaneous relations between a,b and c. Write down the whole set as matrix multiplying the column vector (a,b,c)^t. Then use the fact that a matrix equation of the form [itex]A \mathbf{a} = \mathbf{0}[/itex] has nontrivial solutions iff det A = 0. The solution of the charcteristic polynomial gives you the possible values of alpha. Substituting those back into your matrix equation will give you the appropriate values of a,b and c.
 
Can you lead me to a website that explains how to solve it that way? I think I've heard of that method but never done it myself...
 
Actually, unless I misunderstood you, I guess I already know the possible values of alpha, 0, 1, and -1. I'm just having a brain freeze and cannot figure out how to solve this set of equations for values of a, b, and c after substituting in each value of alpha...
 
You need to prove that alpha = -1,0,1. You do this by finding the eigenvalues of that matrix.

Do you know how to write the system of equations

(ib/sqrt(2)) = (alpha)c
(-ib/sqrt(2) = (alpha)a
i(a-c)/sqrt(2) = (alpha)b

as a matrix?
 
No :(
 

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