Angular momentum operators on a wave function

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The discussion revolves around the angular momentum operators applied to a wave function in quantum mechanics. The original poster presents a wave function and poses questions regarding the probability outcomes of measurements related to the angular momentum operators L_z, L^2, and L_x.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to express the wave function in terms of spherical harmonics and questions the normalization process. They raise specific questions about the probabilities associated with measurements of L_z, L^2, and L_x.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the normalization and the signs in the wave function representation.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the definitions and relationships between the angular momentum states and their corresponding probabilities.
  • There is an exploration of a related problem involving spin measurements, drawing parallels to the angular momentum discussion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning various aspects of the wave function and measurement probabilities. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry have emerged regarding the normalization and measurement outcomes.

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Homework Statement


Particle is in a state with wave function \psi (r) = A z (x+y)e^{-\lambda r}.
a) What is the probability that the result of the L_z measurement is 0?
b) What are possilble results and what are their probabilities of a L^2 measurement?
c) What are possilble results and what are their probabilities of a L_x measurement?

The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, I tried to write wave function in spherical harmonics form:
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \psi (r) &amp;= \alpha z (x+y); \ \ \alpha= A e^{-\lambda r}\\ &amp;= \alpha r \cos\theta (r \sin\theta\cos\phi+r \sin\theta \sin \phi)\\ &amp;= \alpha r^2 \cos\theta \sin \theta (\cos\phi + \sin \phi) \\ &amp;=\alpha r^2\cos\theta \sin\theta((\frac{1}{2}+\frac{i}{2})e^{-i \phi}+(\frac{1}{2}-\frac{i}{2})e^{i \phi}) \\ &amp;= -{\alpha \over 2} r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ((1+i)Y_{2,-1}+(1-i)Y_{2,1})<br /> \end{align*}<br />

Then, I normalized this function:
|\psi,r\rangle = {\alpha \over {2c}} r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ((1+i) c Y_{2,-1}+(1-i) c Y_{2,1}) \\ \Longrightarrow c^2 |(1+i)|^2+c^2 |(1-i)|^2=1 \\ c={1 \over 2}
So finally, I get my wave function:
\psi (r) = \alpha r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ({1 \over 2}(1+i) Y_{2,-1}+{1 \over 2}(1-i)Y_{2,1})
Can someone check this normalization, I am not sure if I did it correctly?

a) Form definition L_z|l,m\rangle=\hbar m |l,m\rangle I can't get 0 as a result, because there isn't any element of a wave function with m=0. So the answer is 0 probability.

b) Form definition L^2|l,m\rangle=\hbar^2 l(l+1) |l,m\rangle I can only get the result 6 \hbar^2 with 100% probability, since l is in both elements of a wave function 2.

c) Form definition L_x|l,m\rangle=\frac{L_+ + L_-}{2} |l,m\rangle, I get:
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> L_+ |2,1\rangle &amp;= 2 \hbar |2,2\rangle \\<br /> L_+ |2,-1\rangle &amp;= \sqrt{6} \hbar |2,0\rangle \\<br /> L_- |2,1\rangle &amp;= \sqrt{6} \hbar |2,0\rangle \\<br /> L_- |2,-1\rangle &amp;= 2 \hbar |2,-2\rangle\\<br /> \end{align*}<br />
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \Longrightarrow L_x |2,1\rangle &amp;= \hbar (|2,2\rangle + \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} |2,0\rangle)\\<br /> \Longrightarrow L_x |2,-1\rangle &amp;= \hbar (|2,-2\rangle + \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} |2,0\rangle)<br /> \end{align*}<br />

So the possible results are \hbar and \frac{\sqrt{6}}{2} \hbar? But how can I now find their probabilities? I tried to write:
L_x |\psi\rangle = \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} \alpha \hbar r^2(\frac{1+i}{2}(|2,2\rangle+{\sqrt{6} \over2} |2,0\rangle)+\frac{1-i}{2}(|2,-2\rangle +{\sqrt{6} \over2} |2,0\rangle)),
but the squares of absolute values of coefficients are above 1.
 
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gasar8 said:
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \psi (r) &amp;= \alpha z (x+y); \ \ \alpha= A e^{-\lambda r}\\ &amp;= \alpha r \cos\theta (r \sin\theta\cos\phi+r \sin\theta \sin \phi)\\ &amp;= \alpha r^2 \cos\theta \sin \theta (\cos\phi + \sin \phi) \\ &amp;=\alpha r^2\cos\theta \sin\theta((\frac{1}{2}+\frac{i}{2})e^{-i \phi}+(\frac{1}{2}-\frac{i}{2})e^{i \phi}) \\ &amp;= -{\alpha \over 2} r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ((1+i)Y_{2,-1}+(1-i)Y_{2,1})<br /> \end{align*}<br />
Be careful with the sign in the last line.

gasar8 said:
Then, I normalized this function:
|\psi,r\rangle = {\alpha \over {2c}} r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ((1+i) c Y_{2,-1}+(1-i) c Y_{2,1}) \\ \Longrightarrow c^2 |(1+i)|^2+c^2 |(1-i)|^2=1 \\ c={1 \over 2}
So finally, I get my wave function:
\psi (r) = \alpha r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} ({1 \over 2}(1+i) Y_{2,-1}+{1 \over 2}(1-i)Y_{2,1})
Can someone check this normalization, I am not sure if I did it correctly?
I don't understand what you did here. Actually, compare that last line with the last line above; do you see any difference? Also, what about ##\alpha## (and the ##A## it contains)?
 
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Aha, I forgot that Y_l^{-m}=(-1)^m Y_l^m, so I get:
<br /> |\psi\rangle = {\alpha \over 2} r^2 \sqrt{\frac{8 \pi}{15}} \big((1+i)Y_2^{-1}-(1-i)Y_2^{1}\big)<br />

Ok, here I tried something we did at lectures, but apparently I didn't understand it well. So if I go the long way:
<br /> \langle \psi,r | \psi,r \rangle = \frac{A A^\ast e^{-2\lambda r}}{4} {8\pi \over 15}\bigg[ \big((1-i) \langle 2, -1| - (1+i)\langle 2,1|)((1+i)|2,1\rangle-(1-i)|2,1\rangle \big) \bigg] =1\\<br /> \frac{2 A A^\ast \pi}{15}e^{-2\lambda r} (2+2) = 1\\<br /> |A|=\sqrt{\frac{15}{8 \pi}}e^{-\lambda r}<br />
So I get my wave function:
|\psi\rangle={r^2 \over 2} \bigg[(1+i) Y_2^{-1}-(1-i)Y_2^1\bigg].

EDIT: Forgot square root over fraction in |A|.
 
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I've got one similar exercise, but instead of angular momentum I've got spins. And I've got the same problems at S_x measurements.
So the exercise goes:
We have got two particles with S_1=1 and S_2=1. We know that S_{1z}|\psi_1\rangle=\hbar |\psi_1\rangle and S_{2x}|\psi_2\rangle = \hbar |\psi_2\rangle.

a) Find wave function |\psi_1\rangle in S_{1z} basis and |\psi_2\rangle in S_{2z} basis.
b) We measure S^2 of total spin. What are possible outcomes and what are their probabilities?
c) Find expectation value and uncertainty of S^2.
d) We measure x component of total spin. What are possible outcomes and what are their probabilities?a) |\psi_1\rangle = |11\rangle \\ |\psi_2\rangle = {1 \over 2} |1-1\rangle + {1 \over \sqrt{2}} |10\rangle+ {1 \over 2} |11\rangle. Can someone just check this?
b)<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> |\psi_{12}\rangle&amp;={1 \over 2}|1\rangle|-1\rangle+{1 \over \sqrt{2}} |1\rangle|0\rangle+{1 \over 2}|1\rangle|1\rangle=\\<br /> &amp;={1 \over \sqrt{24}}|20\rangle+{1 \over \sqrt{12}}|00\rangle+{1 \over 2}|21\rangle+{1 \over 2}|11\rangle+{1 \over 2}|22\rangle<br /> \end{align*}<br />
For S^2|\psi_{12}\rangle=\hbar^2 s(s+1)|\psi_{12}\rangle, we get:
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> &amp;Results \ \ \ \ &amp;Probability\\<br /> &amp;6\hbar^2 &amp;{13\over24}\\<br /> &amp;2\hbar^2 &amp;{3 \over 8}\\<br /> &amp;0 &amp;{1 \over 12}<br /> \end{align*}<br />

c) Expectation value is \langle S^2 \rangle = \langle \psi|S^2|\psi\rangle=4\hbar^2, but I can't find uncertainty? I am thinking in this way:
\delta_{S^2}=\sqrt{\langle S^2\rangle- \langle S \rangle ^2} or \\<br /> \delta_{S^2}=\sqrt{\langle S^4\rangle- \langle S^2 \rangle ^2}?

d) Now, same problem as at the angular momentum. How do I find outcomes and probabilities? I tried with S_x=\frac{S_++S_-}{2}, but got some weird result, from which I can't find anything (As mentioned - like at angular momentum in previous post). Then I was thinking about Pauli matrices, so that possible outcomes would be \pm {\hbar \over 2}, but how can I apply this matrix to my wavefunction of 1x1 spins. I found something on wiki for such spins and tried but got nothing... (This two attempts are in my handwriting downthere):
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