Linear dependence and Wronskian

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The discussion revolves around determining the linear dependence of two functions, specifically f(x) = sin(Mx) and g(x) = Bx + V, in the context of second-order linear homogeneous differential equations. Participants are exploring the implications of the Wronskian in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant attempts to calculate the Wronskian to show linear dependence but expresses difficulty in simplifying it to zero. Others suggest that the functions are actually linearly independent and question the original poster's understanding of the problem statement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing clarifications regarding the nature of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the Wronskian and its implications for the functions being solutions to the same differential equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the phrasing of the problem, particularly the use of "i.e." and its implications for the task at hand. This has led to a deeper exploration of the assumptions underlying the question.

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Homework Statement


Okay so the question is to show that these 2 functions are linearly dependent.
ie. they are not both solutions to the same 2nd order, linear, homogeneous differential equation for non zero choices of, say M, B and V

Homework Equations


f(x) = sin(Mx)
g(x) = Bx + V

The Attempt at a Solution



So they would be dependent if their Wronskian is equal to 0.
W = Bsin(Mx) - (Bx + V)Mcos(Mx)

I'm stuck at this point.. I can't seem to find any identities to make this = 0. I've tried expanding too.. I don't think it helps much. Any help is appreciated!
 
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Those functions aren't linearly dependent, they are linearly independent. That makes your job easier. Just find a value of x where the Wronskian DOESN'T vanish.
 
missavvy said:

Homework Statement


Okay so the question is to show that these 2 functions are linearly dependent.
ie. they are not both solutions to the same 2nd order, linear, homogeneous differential equation for non zero choices of, say M, B and V

From your i.e., part, I think you misunderstand the question. You aren't asked to show the functions are linearly dependent, which they aren't. You are asked to show those two functions are not solutions to the same second order linear DE. That is a different question.

The point of this exercise is to use the theorem that says two solutions of such an equation will have a Wronskian that is either identically zero or never zero. These two functions can only be solutions of the same equation if they satisfy that Wronskian property. So all you have to do is show the Wronskian is neither identically zero nor never zero. Don't you just love double negatives?

[Edited for technical accuracy]
 
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Thanks, LCKurtz. I guess I wasn't fully plumbing the depth of the i.e. and double negative here.
 
LCKurtz said:
From your i.e., part

From the context, I don't think i.e. stands for id est. What does it mean here?
 
okay that makes much more sense. It's the way the question was phrased that had me confused. Thanks.
 

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