Linear Equation (supply and demand line)

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The discussion revolves around finding the demand equation for a commodity given its supply equation and specific price points. The subject area includes linear equations and economic principles related to supply and demand.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between supply and demand equations, questioning how to derive the demand equation from given points and the supply equation. There are discussions about the significance of the market price and how it relates to the intersection of supply and demand curves.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning and approaches, with some providing alternative methods for finding the demand equation. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the steps involved in the solution process, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about basic algebra concepts, which may affect their ability to follow the mathematical reasoning in the discussion. There is also mention of differing approaches to solving the problem, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Homework Statement



Question:

For a certain commodity the supply equation is given by:

S = 2p + 5

At a price of $1, there is a demand for 19 units of the commodity. If the demand equation is linear and the market price is $3, find the demand equation ?

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The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure the steps I have to take to solve this. Can anyone help?

I know first I would do this:

At p = 3, S = 2(3) + 5 = 11
 
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My economics is quite rusty - actually, inexistent would be a more accurate term - but this is maths so I reckon I can smudge the answer together :smile:

So we have that S=2p+5 and we are trying to find the linear equation of the demand curve, given by D=ap+b. We are searching for the values of a and b to complete the answer.

It is given that (1,19) satisfies the demand curve, thus, 19=a+b (1)
You accidentally subbed these values into your supply curve.

When the market price is $3, I think this means that the supply and demand curves are equal? Correct me if I'm wrong here. If this is true, then the curves S=D, thus 2p+5=ap+b and we're given that at this value, the market price is $3, thus...
 
That's another way of doing the problem. My approach was to let the demand line be an equation D=ap+b and then I would find a and b, the solution in that link is to find two points that lie on the demand line and then find the equation of the line between those two points.

What exactly do you need clarification on because it gave you the entire solution...
 
nukeman said:
Here is the answer, can someone please tell me how they got this answer?

(its number 2)

http://web.viu.ca/pughg/Fall2009/math111F09N01/math111F09N01q2Sol.pdf
Essentially they are just using a formula for a straight line: The equation of a line through (x_0, y_0) and (x_1, y_1) is given by
y= \frac{y_1- y_0}{x_1- x_0}(x- x_0)+ y_0

You can derive that formula by using the method Mentallic used: any (non-vertical) line can be written as y= ax+ b. If the line goes through (x_0, y_0) then we must have y_0= ax_0+ b. If the line also goes through (x_1, y_1) then we must also have y_1= ax_1+ b. Subtracting the first equation from the second eliminates b: y_1- y_0= ax_1- ax_0= a(x_1- x_0). Now divide both sides by x_1 - x_0 to get a= \frac{y_1- y_0}{x_1- x_0}.
 
Yeah... I think that's stepping a little out of the range of nukeman's understanding here halls.
 
Mentallic said:
That's another way of doing the problem. My approach was to let the demand line be an equation D=ap+b and then I would find a and b, the solution in that link is to find two points that lie on the demand line and then find the equation of the line between those two points.

What exactly do you need clarification on because it gave you the entire solution...

Im just having a hard time understanding all the steps in that solution.
 
nukeman said:
Im just having a hard time understanding all the steps in that solution.

Ok then, do you understand the steps in my solution?
 
Mentallic said:
Ok then, do you understand the steps in my solution?

Yes I do, thanks!

Is there anyway you can explain the steps given in the solution I gave you?

But thanks for your solution, seems easier :)
 
  • #10
Ok that's good to hear :smile:

Sure thing, it's really the same idea, just once you have the necessary data together they took a different approach to finding the answer.

S=2p+5

and we are told that $3 is the market price which means the supply and demand curve intersect at this point. So S=2(3)+5=11 therefore we have a point (3,11) which lies on the demand line (and on the supply line).
This is our first point, now we need a second and then we just 'connect the dots' to make a line between them to give us the demand curve. The info also tells us that at the price of $1, the demand is 19 units, so (1,19) also lies on the demand curve.

These are the two points we needed, now we just formulae and such to find the equation of the curve.

All I really did was reword their solution... lol...
 
  • #11
Right...Think I am getting it now (thank you!)

Can you show me how they get this answer ( I know, just want to see the steps to make sure I got it)

answer is: D - 11 = -4 (p-3)

P.S - Mentallic, REALLY appreciate the help!
 
  • #12
Well, can you expand -4(p-3)?
 
  • #13
Mentallic said:
Well, can you expand -4(p-3)?

HOw? -4p + 3
 
  • #14
The rule is a(b+c)=ab+ac
 
  • #15
So how would you apply that to: -4(p-3) ?
 
  • #16
a=-4, b=p, c=-3

Are you studying economics or mathematics? Because this is elementary maths that is definitely a prerequisite for economics.
 
  • #17
Mentallic said:
a=-4, b=p, c=-3

Are you studying economics or mathematics? Because this is elementary maths that is definitely a prerequisite for economics.


Been out of school for a while, just starting Math again.

I knwo I know, I am not good at math right now :(
 
  • #18
Ahh ok so you're studying maths. Well since you don't remember how to expand, you should definitely start learning basic algebra before you get into coordinate geometry. You can rush through it of course, it will save you time and heartache in the end.
 

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