Linear equations for amplitude factors

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The discussion revolves around the oscillations of systems for small perturbations around an equilibrium point, specifically focusing on the conditions for solving a set of equations related to amplitude factors derived from Taylor expansions of potential and kinetic energy.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the determinant of a system of equations, questioning how it relates to the existence of nontrivial solutions. There is a discussion about the differences between homogeneous and inhomogeneous systems and the conditions under which solutions exist.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, clarifying misunderstandings about the role of the determinant in linear systems. Some have provided insights into the nature of solutions in homogeneous systems, while others are seeking further clarification on the differences between solution types.

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There is a mention of specific equations and conditions related to small oscillations and the parameter ω, indicating that the discussion is grounded in a particular mathematical framework. Participants are also reflecting on foundational concepts in linear algebra as they relate to the problem.

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My book discusses the oscillations of systems for small pertubations around an equilibrium point. By considering taylors expansions of the potential and kinetic energy they are led to a set of equations for the amplitude factors. I have attached the crucial lines as a picture.
My question is to how they solve the system of equations. They say that we have n solutions so any nontrivial solution requires the determinant of the system of equations to be zero. I think I am misunderstanding something here, because how does that solve the system of equations? Everyone knows that a system has no solutions if the determinant is zero. So what information does requiring the determinant to be zero give?
 

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aaaa202 said:
My book discusses the oscillations of systems for small pertubations around an equilibrium point. By considering taylors expansions of the potential and kinetic energy they are led to a set of equations for the amplitude factors. I have attached the crucial lines as a picture.
My question is to how they solve the system of equations. They say that we have n solutions so any nontrivial solution requires the determinant of the system of equations to be zero. I think I am misunderstanding something here, because how does that solve the system of equations? Everyone knows that a system has no solutions if the determinant is zero. So what information does requiring the determinant to be zero give?

An inhomogeneous system of equations has no solution if the determinant is zero, but a homogeneous one has (nonzero) solution only when the
determinant is zero.

See the following equations:

A
x+y=0
2x+2y=0

B

x+y=0
x+2y=0which one has nonzero solution?

In case of small oscillation, you have an unknown parameter ω and you get the possible values of ω from the condition that the determinant is zero.

ehild
 
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A homogeneous linear system always has a trivial - all zeros - solution. This corresponds to the stationary solution of the original system of ODEs. But they are are looking for (non-stationary) perturbations in the vicinity of the stationary solution. So the linear system must have a non-trivial solution in that case. A non-trivial solution exists only if the determinant of the system if zero.
 
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voko said:
An inhomogeneous linear system always has a trivial - all zeros - solution.

You meant homogeneous linear system...

ehild
 
ehild said:
You meant homogeneous linear system...

Thanks for pointing this out!
 
oh okay. I just always learned that a matrix is invertible if determinant≠0. So there exists one solution. What is the basic difference between that case for inhomogenous systems and this one, in which you somehow find solutions when the matrix is non-invertible?
 
The basic difference is that (when det A = 0) the inhomogeneous system may have no solutions or may have infinitely many. The homogeneous system always has at least one solution (all zeros), and (when det A = 0) it has infinitely many non-zero solutions. You may want to read up on the theory of linear systems.
 

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