Linear Transformation in terms of Polar Coord.

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a linear operator L defined in R² and requires expressing the components of a vector in polar coordinates. The original poster seeks to understand the geometric effects of this linear transformation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the transformation of coordinates from Cartesian to polar, questioning whether trigonometric functions remain unchanged. They explore the implications of the transformation on the angle and radius in polar coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the geometric interpretation of the transformation. Some suggest that the transformation results in a rotation, while others express uncertainty about the relationship between the angles before and after the transformation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the treatment of angles in the transformation, with participants questioning whether the angle should be treated consistently across different coordinate systems. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and assumptions about the nature of the linear transformation.

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Homework Statement


Let L(x) be the Linear operator in R^2 defined by
L(x) = (x1 cos a - x2 sin a, x1 sin a + x2 cos a)^T

Express x1, x2 & L(x) in terms of Polar coordinates.
Describe geometrically the effects of the L.T.

Homework Equations


Well I know that:
a = tan^-1 (x2 / x1)
r = (x1^2 + x2^2)^1/2

where a is the angle in both cases

The Attempt at a Solution


I know x1 & x2 in terms of polar coordinates is
x1 = r cos a
x2 = r sin a

But I am not sure about L(x)... cos a & sin a stay the same in both coord?

Thanks
 
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If they stay the same which I guess so... then by the properties of trigonometric functions...
L(x) in polar coord will be
[ (r cos 2a) , (r sin 2a) ] ?
 
Yeah that looks ok. Now observe what are the differences in the original vector in polar coordinates and the transformed vector. That should help geometrically.
 
Defennder said:
Yeah that looks ok. Now observe what are the differences in the original vector in polar coordinates and the transformed vector. That should help geometrically.

well... Obiously the a was doubled. But if the polar coordinates are of the form (r, a), How should I graph ( r cos 2a , r sin 2a )?

:S
 
is it a counter clock wise rotation by a, to whatever the line is?
 
I really don't think you are supposed to take the angle the same for both x and L. L is a matrix which expresses a rotation by an angle a. If a general point p=(r*cos(t),r*sin(t)) then L(p) will rotate t->t+a, or maybe t->t-a, I'll let you figure out which.
 
Dick said:
I really don't think you are supposed to take the angle the same for both x and L. L is a matrix which expresses a rotation by an angle a. If a general point p=(r*cos(t),r*sin(t)) then L(p) will rotate t->t+a, or maybe t->t-a, I'll let you figure out which.

In my notes I have L(x)=(r*cos(a+t) , r*sin(a+t)). I though they would be the same so I reduced it to 2*a.

So I can graph a point P as you described it, anywhere and then increase the angle by a to prove my point? No need to figure out where exactly r*cos(a) or r*sin(a) will actually be located?
 
I don't think so. Just draw a picture that shows a linear transformation that rotates a vector by an angle a.
 
Dick said:
I don't think so. Just draw a picture that shows a linear transformation that rotates a vector by an angle a.

You guys are the best! Thank you very much!
 

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