Linear Transformations: Why w1 is a Linear Combination of v

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The discussion centers around the relationship between vectors and linear transformations, specifically addressing why a vector resulting from a linear transformation can be expressed as a linear combination of the coefficients of another vector. The scope includes theoretical aspects of linear transformations and their representation in terms of bases and matrices.

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  • One participant questions the connection between the definition of linear transformations and the ability to express a component of the transformed vector as a linear combination of the original vector's components.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of a basis to express vectors in terms of coefficients, indicating that this is crucial for understanding the transformation.
  • A participant explains that the linear transformation can be represented in terms of a matrix, detailing how the transformation relates to the coefficients of the vectors involved.
  • There is a reiteration of the importance of having a basis for both the original and transformed vectors to facilitate the representation of the linear transformation as a matrix.
  • One participant begins to outline the implications of having a basis for the vector space involved in the transformation.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of a basis for expressing vectors and transformations, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the connection between linear transformations and linear combinations of vector components.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the second question posed about the transformation and its representation, indicating that further clarification may be needed.

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Given w = T (v), where T is a linear transformation and w and v are vectors, why is it that we can write any coefficient of w, such as w1 as a linear combination of the coefficients of v? i.e. w1 = av1 + bv2 + cv3

Supposably this is a consequence of the definition of linear transformations, but I don't see the connection.
 
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In order to write ##w=(w_1,w_2,w_3)## and ##v=(v_1,v_2,v_3)## what do you need? And what does this mean for ##T##?
 
fresh_42 said:
In order to write ##w=(w_1,w_2,w_3)## and ##v=(v_1,v_2,v_3)## what do you need? And what does this mean for ##T##?
We need a basis to be able to express a vector in terms of coefficents. I don't know what your second question implies.
 
##T## is a linear transformation. What does this mean? Sure, it means that ##T(\alpha u + \beta v)=\alpha T(u)+\beta T(v)##, but since we have a basis, we can express this transformation in terms of the basis, too:
We write down ##T(1,0,\ldots ,0)\, , \, \ldots \, , \,T(0,\ldots,0,1)## as column vectors with respect to the same basis we used to write ##w##. The result is a number scheme which we call a matrix. Now it turns out that ##w=Tv## is exactly the matrix multiplication ##(w_1,\ldots,w_m) = \left( \sum_{j=1}^n T_{ij}v_j \right)_{1\leq i \leq m}## where ##n=\dim V## and ##m=\dim W##.

So the coefficients of ##v## and ##w## need a bases to write them as a tuple of components, and the same bases allow us to write the linear transformation as a number scheme, too.

Your example had ##n=m=3## and the coefficients are ##a=T_{11}, b=T_{12},c=T_{13}##.
 
fresh_42 said:
##T## is a linear transformation. What does this mean? Sure, it means that ##T(\alpha u + \beta v)=\alpha T(u)+\beta T(v)##, but since we have a basis, we can express this transformation in terms of the basis, too:
We write down ##T(1,0,\ldots ,0)\, , \, \ldots \, , \,T(0,\ldots,0,1)## as column vectors with respect to the same basis we used to write ##w##. The result is a number scheme which we call a matrix. Now it turns out that ##w=Tv## is exactly the matrix multiplication ##(w_1,\ldots,w_m) = \left( \sum_{j=1}^n T_{ij}v_j \right)_{1\leq i \leq m}## where ##n=\dim V## and ##m=\dim W##.

So the coefficients of ##v## and ##w## need a bases to write them as a tuple of components, and the same bases allow us to write the linear transformation as a number scheme, too.

Your example had ##n=m=3## and the coefficients are ##a=T_{11}, b=T_{12},c=T_{13}##.
 
Given ##T: V \rightarrow W ##, Consider a basis ## \{ v_1, v_2,...,v_n\} ## for ##V ##. Then ##T(v)=... ##
 
fresh_42 said:
##T## is a linear transformation. What does this mean? Sure, it means that ##T(\alpha u + \beta v)=\alpha T(u)+\beta T(v)##, but since we have a basis, we can express this transformation in terms of the basis, too:
We write down ##T(1,0,\ldots ,0)\, , \, \ldots \, , \,T(0,\ldots,0,1)## as column vectors with respect to the same basis we used to write ##w##. The result is a number scheme which we call a matrix. Now it turns out that ##w=Tv## is exactly the matrix multiplication ##(w_1,\ldots,w_m) = \left( \sum_{j=1}^n T_{ij}v_j \right)_{1\leq i \leq m}## where ##n=\dim V## and ##m=\dim W##.

So the coefficients of ##v## and ##w## need a bases to write them as a tuple of components, and the same bases allow us to write the linear transformation as a number scheme, too.

Your example had ##n=m=3## and the coefficients are ##a=T_{11}, b=T_{12},c=T_{13}##.
Got it!
 

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