Liquid oscillating in a U-tube problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a U-tube with varying radii, containing liquid that oscillates. The original poster seeks to derive the potential energy of the liquid based on its height above equilibrium, questioning the origin of a specific factor in the potential energy equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the changing radius of the tube and the potential energy formula. There are attempts to understand how to calculate volume and mass in the context of varying cross-sectional areas. Questions arise about the implications of geometry on the volume calculation and the relevance of integration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and the implications of the changing radius on calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider geometry for volume determination, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or methods to apply.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by the varying radius of the tube, which affects the calculations of mass and volume. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the physical setup and the mathematical representations involved.

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Homework Statement


A U-tube has vertical arms of radii 'r' and '2r', connected by a horizontal tube of length 'l' whose radius increases linearly from r to 2r. The U-tube contains liquid up to a height 'h' in each arm. The liquid is set oscillating, and at a given instant the liquid in the narrower arm is a distance 'y' above the equilibrium level.

Show that the potential energy of the liquid is given by...

U = (5/8)gρπ(r2)(y2)

'y' is the change in height.

Homework Equations


So i have the potential energy of system like his is given by
U = gρπ(r2)(y2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Im not sure where this 5/8's comes from. I am pretty sure its from the fact that the raduis of the tube is changing from r to 2r. Any hints?
 
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RockenNS42 said:

Homework Equations


So i have the potential energy of system like his is given by
U = gρπ(r2)(y2)
For "Relevant equations", you are supposed to list any equation(s) that you'd use as a starting point for solving the problem. What you wrote above would be part of your "attempt at a solution".

So, what equation (or equations) have you used as a starting point for this problem?

The Attempt at a Solution



Im not sure where this 5/8's comes from. I am pretty sure its from the fact that the raduis of the tube is changing from r to 2r. Any hints?
Yes, it does have to do with the changing radius.

Another way to think about it: the scenario described is equivalent to taking some water from the "2r" side of the tube and putting it in the "r" side. I think you have figured out the volume and mass of that amount of water (if not -- do it). What is needed is to calculate a change in height, or something along those lines, for moving the water.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Another way to think about it: the scenario described is equivalent to taking some water from the "2r" side of the tube and putting it in the "r" side. I think you have figured out the volume and mass of that amount of water (if not -- do it). What is needed is to calculate a change in height, or something along those lines, for moving the water.

Ok In class we did a tube that was all the radius
We found that the m was the density x the Area
Would that be the same here? But isn't the area different b/c of the different r values?
And if it pluged that value into p=m/v, is that how I'd find the volume?
 
RockenNS42 said:
Ok In class we did a tube that was all the radius
We found that the m was the density x the Area
Almost, not quite though. Mass is density x Volume.
Would that be the same here? But isn't the area different b/c of the different r values?
And if it pluged that value into p=m/v, is that how I'd find the volume?
It would be, if you knew both p and m. But we don't know m, so it won't help here.

Instead, you first need to use geometry to figure out the volume.
 
Redbelly98 said:
Almost, not quite though. Mass is density x Volume.

It would be, if you knew both p and m. But we don't know m, so it won't help here.

Instead, you first need to use geometry to figure out the volume.

Ok so v= πr2 h
the h would be the length, I think.
the r2 has to do with the raduis, but that's changing, doesn't chaning things like that have something to do with the ∫?
 

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