Lny & Derivatives: Why is the Lny y'\y?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the natural logarithm function, specifically ln(y), and its relationship to derivatives in the context of calculus. Participants are exploring the mathematical reasoning behind the expressions involving ln(y) and its derivatives.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why the derivative of ln(y) with respect to x can be expressed as y'/y. There are questions about the application of the chain rule and the definitions involved in deriving these expressions.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the derivative of ln(y) and its connection to the chain rule. There appears to be an ongoing exploration of the definitions and properties of logarithmic functions, but no consensus has been reached on the initial questions posed.

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Participants are discussing the implications of taking derivatives with respect to different variables and the assumptions underlying the definitions of logarithmic functions. There is a mention of the fundamental theorem of calculus and its relevance to the discussion.

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Why is the lny y'\y?

could I also say the lny is dy\y?
 
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Neither of these is correct.
The derivative with respect to y of ln y is 1/y. In symbols, d/dy(ln y) = 1/y
The differential of ln y, d(ln y), is dy/y.

Is that clear?
 


I do understand what I should have said is when taking the derivative with respect to x, why is lny = y'/y. Thank you.
 


It is because of the chain rule. Is that what you are asking?
 


In case you're asking why the derivative of the natural logarithm function ln(x) is 1/x, it is because that is how the function was first defined. More precisely, the function ln(x) is defined to be the integral:
[tex]\int_1^x \frac{dt}{t}[/tex]
It was defined as this integral because it was found that this integral has the properties of a logarithm, the base of which was called 'e', or Euler's number. you can read more about 'e', its discovery and its properties in this book.
The fundamental theorem of calculus then gives you the derivative of the function as 1/x, and the chain rule tells you that if you have f(x) = ln(y(x)), the derivative with respect to x is (1/y(x))*y'(x) or written implicitly, y'/y.
If you are taking the differential of the form ln(y), then you may write d(ln(y)) = dy/y.
 
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slider142 said:
In case you're asking why the derivative of the natural logarithm function ln(x) is 1/x, it is because that is how the function was first defined. More precisely, the function ln(x) is defined to be the integral:
[tex]\int_1^x \frac{dt}{t}[/tex]
It was defined as this integral because it was found that this integral has the properties of a logarithm, the base of which was called 'e', or Euler's number. you can read more about 'e', its discovery and its properties in this book.
The fundamental theorem of calculus then gives you the derivative of the function as 1/x, and the chain rule tells you that if you have f(x) = ln(y(x)), the derivative with respect to x is (1/y(x))*y'(x) or written implicitly, y'/y.
If you are taking the differential of the form ln(y), then you may write d(ln(y)) = dy/y.

Thank you for the clarification.
 

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