Log Simplification Strategies for Evaluating Expressions with Square Roots

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The original poster presents a problem involving logarithmic expressions and square roots, specifically evaluating log_b(√(xy)/z) given certain logarithmic values. The subject area is logarithmic properties and simplification techniques.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the simplification of logarithmic expressions involving square roots, with attempts to clarify the relationship between log_b(√x) and log_b(x). Questions arise about the application of logarithmic rules, particularly regarding exponents and their manipulation within logarithmic functions.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided clarifications on logarithmic rules, particularly the relationship between logarithms and exponents. There is an ongoing exploration of these concepts, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their understanding of the rules. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct application of logarithmic properties.

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Some participants express confusion about logarithmic rules and their application, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts. The original poster mentions being rusty on the topic, suggesting a potential gap in foundational knowledge.

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Homework Statement



Assume [itex]log_bx=0.36, log_by=0.56, log_bz=0.83[/itex]

Evaluate the following expressions

[tex]log_b\frac{\sqrt{xy}}{z}[/tex]

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I know that the first step of simplification is [itex](log_b\sqrt{x}+log_b\sqrt{y})-(log_bz)[/itex], and that [itex](log_bz) = 0.83[/itex], so that ends up being [itex](log_b\sqrt{x}+log_b\sqrt{y})-(0.83)[/itex]

However, I have no idea what to do with the [itex]\sqrt{x}[/itex] that is in the first two logs. I can't seem to find the right search online for that, and it's not in my book.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mac
 
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log(sqrt(x))=log(x^(1/2))=(1/2)*log(x). Does that help?
 
I guess I should clarify what I am asking.

If [itex]log_bx = 0.36,[/itex] then does [itex]log_b\sqrt{x}=\sqrt{0.36}[/itex]
 
Nooo. [itex]log_b\sqrt{x}=log_b x^\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{2}*log_b{x}[/itex]. Does TeXing it make it clearer?
 
MacLaddy said:
I guess I should clarify what I am asking.

If [itex]log_bx = 0.36,[/itex] then does [itex]log_b\sqrt{x}=\sqrt{0.36}[/itex]
The quick answer ... No.

By the rule of logarithms. [itex]\displaystyle\log_b(\sqrt{x})=\frac{1}{2}\log_b(x)\,.[/itex]

For one thing, [itex]\sqrt{x}=x^{1/2}\,.[/itex]
 
Ahh, apparently TeXing does make it clearer. I guess I didn't read your first answer correctly.

I had forgotten about that Log rule, but I'm still a bit rusty. Do all exponents in a logarithm always get multiplied at the front? It seems that they do.

I appreciate your help.
 
Thanks Dick and SammyS. That is exactly what I was looking for.
 
MacLaddy said:
I had forgotten about that Log rule, but I'm still a bit rusty. Do all exponents in a logarithm always get multiplied at the front? It seems that they do.

Yes, in general

[tex]\log(a^b)=b\cdot\log(a), a>0[/tex]

If we look at some special cases such as b=0, this gives us [tex]\log(a^0)=0\cdot\log(a)=0[/tex] which is true because of the log of 1 is always 0.

b=-1 gives

[tex]\log(a^{-1})=-\log(a)[/tex] which can also be seen in another way as
[tex]\log(a^{-1})=\log(\frac{1}{a})=\log(1)-\log(a)=0-\log(a)[/tex]
 
Thanks Mentallic. I think I'll print that for my notes.
 

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