Log(z) gives an anti-derivative of 1/z

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the integral \(\int_C \frac{dz}{1-z}\) along a line segment from \(1/2\) to \(\sqrt{3i}\). Participants explore various methods for evaluating this integral, including the use of parametrization, calculus of residues, and the Cauchy integral formula.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that \(\log(z)\) provides an anti-derivative of \(\frac{1}{z}\) in the complement of the negative real axis.
  • One participant suggests using calculus of residues, while another expresses skepticism about its applicability due to the integral not being over a closed curve.
  • Another participant proposes a parametrization of the line segment, substituting \(z\) with a corresponding expression of \(t\) to facilitate integration over a real variable.
  • There is a correction regarding the derivative of \(\log(z)\) and a clarification about the expression for the endpoints of the integral, with some confusion about whether \(\sqrt{3i}\) was intended or if it should be \(i\sqrt{3}\).
  • One participant mentions obtaining a specific numerical result of \(-0.944 + 0.117i\) without detailing the method used.
  • Another participant emphasizes that Cauchy's Integral Formula requires a closed contour, suggesting that adding legs to the contour could be a solution but is not necessary.

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Participants express differing views on the applicability of calculus of residues and Cauchy's Integral Formula, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach to evaluate the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the correct interpretation of the endpoint \(\sqrt{3i}\) and the implications of using different branches of the logarithm in the context of the integral.

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How do I calculate
[tex]\int_C[/tex] dz/1-z when C is a line segment from 1/2 to [tex]\sqrt{3i}[/tex].
I know that in the complement of the negative real axis, log(z) gives an anti-derivative of 1/z.
 
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you need to use calculus of residues
 


ice109 said:
you need to use calculus of residues

I don't see a convinient way to use residues since this is not an integral of a close curve.

What you need to do, is to do a parametrization z(t) of the line segement.
Then you substitute z with a corresponding expression of t, and dz with a corresponding expression of dt, and then the integral comes down to integration over a real variable.
 


squenshl said:
How do I calculate
[tex]\int_C[/tex] dz/1-z when C is a line segment from 1/2 to [tex]\sqrt{3i}[/tex].
I know that in the complement of the negative real axis, log(z) gives an anti-derivative of 1/z.
I hope that last was a typo. The derivative of log(z) is 1/z. The anti-derivative is zlog(z)- z. Also, was that supposed to be [tex]i\sqrt{3}[/itex] rather than [tex]\sqrt{3i}[/tex]? That is, is the i supposed to be inside the square root or not?<br /> <br /> Looks like tedious but straightforward computation from me. Assuming you mean [tex]i\sqrt{3}[/itex], C can be written [itex]z= (1/2)(1+ t)+i\sqrt{3} t[/itex] so that [itex]dx= (-1/2+ i\sqrt{3})dt[/itex] and [itex]1- z= (1/2)(1+ t)- i\sqrt{3}t[/itex] with t going from 0 to 1.<br /> <br /> Put those into the integral and you should be able to reduce it to two integrals, one of the form [itex]1/z^2[/itex] and the other [itex]1/(z^2+ 1)[/itex].<br /> <br /> If you <b>really</b> meant [tex]\sqrt{3i}[/itex], then <br /> [tex]\sqrt{3i}= \sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}+ i\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}[/itex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 


It was a typo. Oopsy daisys.
dz not dx
 


Can we not use the Cauchy integral formula because it is not a closed curve.
 


I didn't do it that way but i got -0.944 + 0.117i
 


You can only use Cauchy's Integral Formula if it's a closed contour. Of course you could add two more legs and make it closed but that's not necessary. It helps if you write it clearly as an integral:

[itex]\mathop\int\limits_{1/2}^{\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}+i\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}} \frac{1}{z}dz[/itex]

Keep in mind it's logarithmic antiderivative can be made analytic along a straight-line contour between the end points so you can just evaluate the antiderivative at those endpoints as long as you use an analytic extension of log in a region containing the contour, say the branch that has a cut along the negative real axis. Can you then use that branch and compute:

[itex]\log(z)\biggr|_{1/2}^{\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}+i\sqrt{\frac{3}{2}}[/itex]
 
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