Logarithmic Expressions Simplified

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The discussion revolves around simplifying logarithmic expressions, specifically the expression log(ab) - 2log(b) - 1, with participants attempting to express it as a single logarithm. There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation and manipulation of the expression, particularly concerning the placement of parentheses and the order of operations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore how to combine logarithmic terms and question the clarity of the original expression. There are discussions about the correct placement of parentheses and the implications of order of operations. Some participants suggest rewriting the expression in a clearer format.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the expression. There is acknowledgment of confusion and attempts to clarify the steps involved in simplifying the logarithmic expression. While some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the original problem or the book's answer, others are engaged in exploring the algebraic manipulations.

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There are indications that the original poster may have miswritten the problem or misunderstood the logarithmic properties, leading to discrepancies with the answer provided in the textbook. Participants also note the importance of clear notation and the use of proper mathematical symbols.

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Everything is base 10

log(ab)-2logb -1

a+b/ b2 = a/b/10 = 10a/b?


But in the back of the book the answer is 10b/a...
 
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This is an expression: log(ab)-2logb -1
What do you want from it?

The rest of the stuff you wrote is unintelligible.
 
He stated that in the title, not in the body: express as a single iogarithm.

That would be log((a/10b)
 
HallsofIvy said:
That would be log((a/10b)

Are you sure? :-p One parenthesis missing, is b in the numerator or in the denominator?

ehild
 
Oh, dear, an extra parenthesis! It should be log(a/10b). The "b" is in the denominator. Prior to canceling, log(ab)- 2log(b)- 1= log(ab)- log(b^2)- log(10)= log(ab/10b2).
 
HallsofIvy said:
Oh, dear, an extra parenthesis! It should be log(a/10b). The "b" is in the denominator. Prior to canceling, log(ab)- 2log(b)- 1= log(ab)- log(b^2)- log(10)= log(ab/10b2).


A missing parenthesis: log(ab)-log(b2)-log(10)=log(ab/(10b2))=log(a/(10b)) :-p

ehild
 
Oh.. my order of operation was wrong.. thanks.
 
lionely said:
Oh.. my order of operation was wrong.. thanks.
Not only that, but your first post is extremely unclear as to what you're trying to do.
lionely said:
Everything is base 10

log(ab)-2logb -1

a+b/ b2 = a/b/10 = 10a/b?

But in the back of the book the answer is 10b/a...

1. Connect expressions that have the same value with =.
2. Keep track of what you're doing. In the first line above, you have two log expressions. In the second line, you show no indication that you're working with logs.
3. Indicate exponents so that we can tell what you mean. At the very least, use ^ to indicate an exponent, as in b^2. Even better would be to use the Advanced Menu (click Go Advanced, and use the X2 button, which adds HTML tags for exponents.)

log(ab)-2logb -1
= log(ab) - log(b2) - log(10)
= log(ab/b2) - log(10)
= log(a/b) - log(10)
= log(a/(10b))
 
= log(a/b) - log(10)
= log(a/(10b))

for this part I'm kind of confused if it's log(a/b)/10 shouldn't you invert and multiply and get log(10a/b)?
 
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lionely said:
= log(a/b) - log(10)
= log(a/(10b))

for this part I'm kind of confused if it's log(a/b)/10
That's not what I wrote. What you have here is
$$ \frac{log(a/b)}{10}$$

What I wrote is
$$ log(\frac{a/b}{10})$$

I hope that you can see that these are different.

lionely said:
shouldn't you invert and multiply and get log(10a/b)?

Your confusion here seems to be with basic arithmetic, particularly how fraction division works.

$$ \frac{a/b}{10} = \frac{a}{b} \cdot \frac{1}{10} = \frac{a}{10b}$$
 
  • #11
If, as you say, the book gives the answer as 10b/a, then either you haven't written the problem correctly or the book's answer is wrong.
 
  • #12
oh... I guess I need to do some work on basic algebra...
 
  • #13
Seems like a good idea to me.
 

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