Longer pendulum, does frequency need to be increased or

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the length of a pendulum and its natural frequency, particularly in the context of a motor-driven pendulum. The original poster questions whether increasing the length of the pendulum requires an increase or decrease in frequency to maintain a constant swing rate.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of changing the pendulum's length on its frequency, noting an inverse relationship between length and frequency. They express confusion regarding the given answer that suggests a decrease in frequency is necessary when length increases.

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Some participants have offered interpretations of the problem statement, suggesting that the motor should operate at the natural frequency corresponding to the new length rather than maintaining the frequency of the original length. This has led to further exploration of the wording and assumptions in the problem.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the interpretation of "natural frequency," which some participants feel could have been articulated more clearly. The emotional responses indicate a shared experience of confusion and frustration with the concepts being discussed.

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A motor drives a pendulum at its natural frequency and keeps it swinging at a constant rate. If this motor uses a longer pendulum, does a frequency need to be increased or decreased?

I'm assuming that the question is asking whether or not the frequency that the motor drives a pendulum needs to be increased to maintain the same swing rate. I don't know if they're actually asking for something else and I can't see it.

Frequency seems to be inversely proportional to length. So it seems that as length increases frequency will decrease so therefore to maintain the same frequency as the original length the motor will have to increase the frequency. But that is not the answer that is given for the question.

The answer states that increasing the length of the pendulum necessitates decreasing the frequency of the motor.

What am I missing here? The given answer seems wrong
 
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Perseverence said:
What am I missing here?
Presumably what you are missing is the interpretation of the poorly worded problem statement that implies that the motor is to use the natural frequency of the new length, not force the old frequency onto the new length. That's what "natural frequency" implies but it should have been stated more clearly.
 
Holy cow! Thank you so much for the explanation. I was completely flummoxed there for a second. The world makes sense again. Thank you thank you thank you thank you!
 
Perseverence said:
The world makes sense again.
Oh, give it time. That illusion never lasts :smile:
 
phinds said:
Oh, give it time. That illusion never lasts :smile:
:confused: oh wow. So true. And completely flummoxed by a whole new question. I keep working at becoming one with the love of physics, but it's just not happening. The whole process is so painfully frustrating.

Thank goodness for physics forum to keep us from completely walking over the edge into the abyss of unrelenting confusion
 

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