Longitudinal Wave Equation meaning and derivation

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and derivation of the longitudinal wave equation, particularly in relation to its application to sound waves and the comparison with transverse waves. Participants explore the representation of variables in the wave equation and the nature of particle motion in longitudinal waves.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of the variable y in the longitudinal wave equation, seeking clarification on what it represents.
  • Another participant suggests that y can represent pressure at a point in the medium for sound waves, indicating a different interpretation compared to transverse waves.
  • A different viewpoint states that y can also represent the displacement of particles in the medium, noting that this displacement is parallel to the direction of wave propagation.
  • A participant proposes that when a wave reaches a point at rest, the point undergoes harmonic motion, with its point of rest as the midpoint of motion, and seeks to understand how the equation describes this motion.
  • Another contribution discusses the conservation of energy in wave motion, stating that the energy of deflection and kinetic energy are interrelated, which relates to the motion described by the wave equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the variable y in the context of longitudinal waves, and there is no consensus on the derivation of the equation or its implications for particle motion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of wave motion and the definitions of variables, which may not be universally agreed upon. The relationship between energy forms in wave motion is also mentioned but not fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of physics, particularly those studying wave mechanics and the differences between longitudinal and transverse waves.

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Hi,

I have recently been studying waves, and I understand the transversal wave formula

y=Asin(w(t-x/v))

which gives the y coordinate of a point at x along the x-axis in the instant t.

However, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave) gives this as the equation for longitudinal waves too.

If this is true, what does y represent? The displacement of a point relative to what? Also, does anyone know how to derive this formula specifically for longitudinal waves?

Thanks very much!
 
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For something such as a sound wave, Y represents the pressure at point x, at time t. It's a bit more challenging to visualize, but the formula is applied the same way.
 
For a longitudinal wave, y can also represent the displacement of particles in the medium. The displacement is to and fro parallel to the direction of propagation of the waves, whereas for a transverse wave the displacement is at right angles to the direction of propagation. The equation you quote can be used to represent either sort of wave.
 
Hi, thanks for your replies!

So am I right in saying that when the wave reaches a point at rest, the point starts to move with a harmonic motion in which its point of rest becomes the middle point of the motion (i.e. where its speed is greatest)?

How can we show that the equation describes this kind of motion?

Thanks!
 
For any wave that is neither damped nor forced and at constant amplitude, the energy of deflection (spring or pressure energy) plus the energy of motion (kinetic energy) is a constant. Hence when the energy of deflection is zero the kinetic energy is at a max, and vice-versa. As you state.
 

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