Looking for physics book recommendations after HS

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for physics books suitable for someone who has completed high school and is interested in learning about theories in astrophysics and quantum physics. Participants express varying preferences for the depth and complexity of the material, with some seeking accessible texts while others emphasize the importance of mathematical foundations.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks recommendations for physics books that are interesting and accessible, specifically mentioning an interest in astrophysics and quantum theories.
  • Another participant suggests that to truly learn physics, one must first understand introductory university-level mathematics, including calculus and linear algebra.
  • Some participants express a preference for books that do not require complex calculations, such as "A Brief History of Time" and Richard Feynman's "QED - A Strange Theory of Light and Matter".
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between mathematics and physics, with some arguing that understanding math is essential, while others believe that popular science books can still provide valuable insights.
  • One participant mentions the "Messenger" lectures by Feynman as a resource aimed at a non-mathematical audience, while cautioning that the understanding of physics is limited without math.
  • Another participant shares their positive experience with a teacher who encourages exploration of theories, contrasting this with the notion that math is often presented negatively in schools.
  • A participant recommends "The Black Hole War" by Leonard Susskind as an enjoyable read in astrophysics, noting its simplicity in terms of equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the necessity of mathematics for understanding physics. While some emphasize the importance of math, others advocate for accessible texts that do not require advanced mathematical knowledge. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning physics at a beginner level.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of relying solely on popular science literature for a deeper understanding of physics concepts, while others argue that such resources can still be valuable for beginners. There is also a mention of differing opinions on the nature of mathematical understanding and its accessibility to students.

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Hello I'm new here. I don't know if doing this here is right or not but can someone please recommend good physics books to read? I've completed high school but I want to learn about interesting theories. My recent interests are astrophysics and quantum. If some can please recommend some amazing and interesting books, that
would be great! Also, it's been two years that I've developed interest in physics and high school physics was kinda limiting (rants of an A Level student)
 
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Do you want to learn physics or do you want to learn about physics?

The first thing you need to do if you want to learn physics is to learn some introductory university math. You will need to know single and multivariable calculus, linear algebra, complex analysis, and partial differential equations before your physics can start getting "interesting". Math is the language we use when we do physics and it is necessary to understand the math before you can start understanding the theories. I would suggest picking up textbooks in these subjects.

If you just want to learn about physics you can essentially pick up any popsci magazine. You will learn allegories and popularisations that may be better or worse descriptions in "human language" terms, but you will not learn how to actually use the theories to make predictions.
 
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As I said, I'm a beginner so please forgive any silly comments. I want to learn ABOUT interesting theories rather than derive stuff and get into university level calculations. I want to read books that are easily understood by high school students without any complex calculations just to have knowledge about some interesting concepts and the idea behind those concepts. I haven't read "A Brief History of Time" but I've been introduced to it and it feels like it'll be just the thing I'm looking for. So books like this one. And thanks for your time!
 
Ehtesham said:
As I said, I'm a beginner so please forgive any silly comments. I want to learn ABOUT interesting theories rather than derive stuff and get into university level calculations. I want to read books that are easily understood by high school students without any complex calculations just to have knowledge about some interesting concepts and the idea behind those concepts. I haven't read "A Brief History of Time" but I've been introduced to it and it feels like it'll be just the thing I'm looking for. So books like this one. And thanks for your time!
If you want to learn about physics, I believe you should start with Richard Feynman's "QED - A Strange Theory of Light and Matter". It's is available in the form of lectures in you tube, but I prefer you read the book. It has no equations, but beautifully describes the theories of Quantum Field Theory. Once you get a brief idea about this, you should start with Quantum Mechanics, a very important and integral part of Physics.
 
Ehtesham said:
As I said, I'm a beginner so please forgive any silly comments. I want to learn ABOUT interesting theories rather than derive stuff and get into university level calculations. I want to read books that are easily understood by high school students without any complex calculations just to have knowledge about some interesting concepts and the idea behind those concepts. I haven't read "A Brief History of Time" but I've been introduced to it and it feels like it'll be just the thing I'm looking for. So books like this one. And thanks for your time!

You could take a look at the Feyman "Messenger" lectures at Cornell:

http://www.cornell.edu/video/playlist/richard-feynman-messenger-lectures

These are aimed at a non-mathematical audience. Note, however, that the second lecture deals with the relationship between mathematics and physics and Feyman is characteristically honest about how little the non-mathematical student can ultimately know about physics.

You can certainly entertain yourself with popular science books and videos, but the ideas themselves are watered down, to say the least, if you can't face mathematics.
 
Well, there's no free lunch. To really understand physics you need math, but I never understood, why this is considered so bad. Math itself is a very fascinating subject. Only school teachers have the tendency to hide this fact very successfully from their pupils :-(. So the best thing is to look at introductory university textbooks for experimental physics (the standard ones are Haliday, Resnick, Walker; Tipler).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Well, there's no free lunch. To really understand physics you need math, but I never understood, why this is considered so bad. Math itself is a very fascinating subject. Only school teachers have the tendency to hide this fact very successfully from their pupils :-(. So the best thing is to look at introductory university textbooks for experimental physics (the standard ones are Haliday, Resnick, Walker; Tipler).
Maths is not bad, and not all teachers hide the beauty from students. One of the teachers in my school encourages us a lot, and many of my friends have discovered theories by themselves and got them certified by the Indian Statistical Institute.

However, to understand pure maths, you need to have that intelligence. If you don't have it, you'll never be able to learn it. You'll have to be born with that mindset of thinking critically.
 
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Maths is not bad, and not all teachers hide the beauty from students. One of the teachers in my school encourages us a lot, and many of my friends have discovered theories by themselves and got them certified by the Indian Statistical Institute.

Who discovered which theory ?

Wrichik Basu said:
However, to understand pure maths, you need to have that intelligence. If you don't have it, you'll never be able to learn it. You'll have to be born with that mindset of thinking critically.

Understanding Maths is easier than most other subjects. Anyways Vanhees was talking about Applied Maths not Pure Maths.
 
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I'm not at all bad at math. In fact I'm at the top of my class. I was just looking for something simpler. And thanks for those suggestions! I'll definitely look into them!
 
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A good book in astrophysics I enjoyed was the black hole war by Leonard Susskind it talks about how quantum mechanics helped with solving the question if black holes do or do not release information and it only contains one simple equation that is only talked about briefly
 
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Buffu said:
Who discovered which theory ?
Understanding Maths is easier than most other subjects. Anyways Vanhees was talking about Applied Maths not Pure Maths.

My friends have discovered some, but I never had the interest in asking them, so can't tell.

Applied maths is much better than pure maths from my point of view.
 
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Ehtesham said:
I'm not at all bad at math. In fact I'm at the top of my class. I was just looking for something simpler. And thanks for those suggestions! I'll definitely look into them!
Being the topper of the class doesn't always mean the student has great knowledge. I believe exams can never be an estimation or any near approximation of knowledge of a student. One cannot test a student only on a day's performance. It's a very wrong system.
 
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