Loop Integration in Spinor Language

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The discussion centers on the integration of one-loop calculations in the context of helicity spinor language, specifically addressing how to handle loop integrals when the numerator is expressed in terms of spinor brackets rather than traditional four-vectors. Participants explore various methods and references related to this topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on integrating loop integrals expressed in helicity spinor language, specifically asking how to handle the numerator in such cases.
  • Another participant suggests that standard QFT texts discuss loop integrals via dimensional reduction and provides a formula for a specific type of integral.
  • A participant expresses understanding of integrals in terms of four-vectors but struggles with the spinor representation, asking for clarification on handling numerators written in spinor brackets.
  • References to specific papers are made, with one participant noting that they have not found expressions involving loop momentum as anything other than four-vectors.
  • Another participant mentions a specific paper that reduces integrals to scalar integrals and questions how to integrate directly without such reductions.
  • A suggestion is made to use the definition of inner products for spinors and sigma matrices to convert bispinors into four-vectors.
  • A participant proposes rewriting the numerator in terms of a four-vector product and discusses the implications of this approach, questioning whether the resulting expression would vanish due to the massless nature of the constructed four-vector.
  • Another participant agrees with the reasoning about the integral leading to a vanishing contraction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of familiarity with the topic, and while some agree on specific methods to approach the problem, there remains uncertainty about the handling of spinor representations in loop integrals. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific equations and papers, indicating a reliance on particular conventions and definitions that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion highlights the complexity of integrating expressions that involve spinor brackets and the potential for varying interpretations of the results.

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Hi guys,

i'm looking at one-loop calculations in terms of helicity spinor (basically a paper by Brandhuber, Travglini and others) language but i have no idea how to integrate them :)

For instance

<br /> \int FeynParam\int d^D L \frac{\langle a|L|b]^2}{(L^2-\Delta^2)^3}<br />

How would I do the loop intergation here?

Cheers,
earth2
 
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If these are standard loop integrals, then most QFT texts will discuss their treatment via dimensional reduction. For example, following Ramond's discussion, we can use beta functions to derive

\int \frac{d^N\ell}{(\ell^2 + a^2)^A }= \pi^{N/2} \frac{\Gamma(A-N/2)}{\Gamma(A)} \frac{1}{(a^2)^{A-N/2}}

By shifting \ell = \ell&#039; + p and setting b^2 = a^2 + p^2, we find

\int \frac{d^N\ell}{(\ell^2 +2p\cdot\ell + b^2)^A }= \pi^{N/2} \frac{\Gamma(A-N/2)}{\Gamma(A)} \frac{1}{(b^2-p^2)^{A-N/2}}.

Integrals with factors of \ell_\mu can now be obtained by differentiating with respect to p_\mu:


\int \frac{d^N\ell~\ell_{\mu_1}\cdots \ell_{\mu_n}}{(\ell^2 +2p\cdot\ell + b^2)^A }=\pi^{N/2} \frac{\Gamma(A-N/2)}{\Gamma(A)} \left( \frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial}{\partial p_{\mu_1}} \right) \cdots \left( \frac{1}{2} \frac{\partial}{\partial p_{\mu_n}} \right) \frac{1}{(b^2-p^2)^{A-N/2}}.
 
Hi! Thanks for your reply!

I understand how to treat these integrals if the numerator of the integrand is expressed in terms of four-vectors. But how do I proceed if the numerator is written in the spinor bra-ket language above? I don't really know how to handle these expressions if the loop momentum in the numerator is written via spinors...Any idea how to handle them? (So, my question really is: what do i do with the numerator?)

Cheers,
earth2
 
Can you give a more specific reference? I've been looking at papers like hep-th/0407214 and I haven't found an expression where the loop momentum wasn't given as a 4-vector.
 
Hi and thanks for your reply. Look for instance at hep-th/0612007. They never do the integrals (they reduce them to scalar integrals using PV) but i was wondering how to do them without reducing them.

Look for instance at eq (3.9). If one is given such a type of integral but has no idea about PV reduction and only knows numerators written via 4-momenta how does one integrate this thing directly? Or even eq 3.10. (which looks like what I've written above).

As I've said I know how to treat loop integrals in terms of the standard Peskin/Schroeder textbook way...I just don't really know how to deal with numerators if they are given in terms of these spinor brackets. :)

Cheers,
earth2
 
These are ordinary loop integrals, but you have to look at them the right way. You need to use the definition of the inner products for spinors of \pm helicity as well as the use of sigma matrices to write a 4-vector as a bispinor.

Take (3.9), which has a [ \eta |L_3| 3 \rangle in it. We can write this in terms of (L_3)_\mu by putting all of the indices in:

[ \eta |L_3| 3 \rangle = - \eta_{\dot{b}}\epsilon^{\dot{b}\dot{a}} (L_3)_\mu (\sigma^\mu)_{a\dot{a}} \epsilon^{ab} (3)_b.

I might have a minus sign wrong, you might want to check yourself using the conventions from the Witten paper or something. Up to signs then, we identify

- \eta_{\dot{b}}\epsilon^{\dot{b}\dot{a}} (\sigma^\mu)_{a\dot{a}} \epsilon^{ab} (3)_b = [ \eta |\mu| 3 \rangle.

as appears in (3.11).
 
Ah, thanks for the explanation. One more question about this:

So coming back to the numerator, i could rewrite is in terms of a four-vector product as:

\langle a |L|b]^2 = (2q\cdot L )^2

where q is a four-vector build from the spinors \langle a| and |b].

Under the integral sign i could write this as

\langle a |L|b]^2 = (2*q\cdot L )^2=4q^\alpha q^\beta L_\alpha L_\beta=\frac{4}{D} q^\alpha q^\beta g_{\alpha\beta}L^2 and after integration the result would be proportional to
q^2 times stuff coming from the integrak. But this would vanish since q can by expressed in terms of spinors and must so be massless, right? I.e. q^2=0? Or is this reasoning too naive?

Cheers
 
That looks about right. The integral in (4.19) is an example that leads to a vanishing contraction.
 

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