Lorentz invariance of quantum theory

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on Lucien Hardy's paper "Quantum Mechanics, Local Realistic Theories, and Lorentz Invariant Relativistic Theories," which argues that Lorentz invariant observables that assume locality contradict quantum mechanics. Participants express confusion regarding Hardy's treatment of experimental outputs, particularly after equation (17). The conversation highlights the necessity of varying experimental setups to understand the underlying laws of nature, emphasizing that classical mechanics, based on Galilean transformations, is inherently non-local. The discussion concludes with a recommendation to explore Quantum Field Theory (QFT) and its implications for Bell's theorem.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Lorentz invariance in physics
  • Familiarity with quantum mechanics principles
  • Knowledge of Galilean transformations
  • Basic concepts of Quantum Field Theory (QFT)
NEXT STEPS
  • Read Lucien Hardy's paper on Lorentz invariance and locality
  • Study chapter 3 of "Quantum Mechanics" by Ballentine
  • Explore the cluster decomposition property in Quantum Field Theory
  • Investigate the implications of Bell's theorem in quantum mechanics
USEFUL FOR

Physicists, quantum mechanics researchers, and students interested in the intersection of locality, Lorentz invariance, and quantum theory.

Narasoma
Messages
42
Reaction score
10
I read Lucien Hardy's paper whose tittle was "Quantum Mechanics, Local Realistic Theories, and Lorentz Invariant Relativistic Theories". There, he argued that lorentz invariant observables which involved locality assumption contradict quantum mechanics.

I tried to follow his argument, but got stuck on the paragraph right after eq. num. (17).

Looks like he mixed outputs from different experiments (replaced/removed beam splitter). I couldn't understand why that was allowed and seemed logic on the paper.

So, if anybody gets a better understanding on this, please explain to me.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Narasoma said:
Looks like he mixed outputs from different experiments (replaced/removed beam splitter). I couldn't understand why that was allowed and seemed logic on the paper.
That's how science works, you do different experiments to see how the outcomes will differ, and from that you learn something about general laws of nature. If you always repeat the same experiment, you cannot learn anything about the general laws. Without variations in the experimental setup you cannot learn what are the causes of the final outcomes, and without learning about the causes you cannot tell whether the causes are local or non-local, Lorentz invariant or Lorentz non-invariant, etc.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: bhobba
Narasoma said:
There, he argued that lorentz invariant observables which involved locality assumption contradict quantum mechanics.

He is correct. If you read chapter 3 of Ballentine you see the dynamics can be fully derived from the Galilean transformations which are manifestly non local. It isn't usually pointed out but classical mechanics is manifestly non local because its based on the Galilean transformations. An exception is Landau - Mechanics but due to his terse style he doesn't spend a lot of time on it which IMHO requires more emphasis and discussion.

To rectify it you must go to QFT. But there locality is replaced by the so called cluster decomposition property:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/cluster-decomposition-in-qft.547574/

This has implications for Bells theorem (it doesn't disprove it or anything like that - simply allows a different viewpoint) - but that needs a whole new thread.

Thanks
Bill
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: vanhees71

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
10K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
4K