Lorentz Transformation & Hyperbolic Angle in (2+1) Dimensions

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of Lorentz transformations in (2+1) dimensions and higher, particularly focusing on expressing these transformations in terms of hyperbolic angles using sinh and cosh functions. Participants explore the implications of boosts in different directions and the mathematical representation of these transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if there is a general way to express the Lorentz transformation for (2+1) dimensions using hyperbolic angles.
  • Another participant provides a matrix representation for a boost in the positive x direction, using hyperbolic functions.
  • Some participants challenge the direction of the boost, suggesting it may actually represent a boost in the negative x direction.
  • A participant questions whether the transformation in a 2D plane can be derived simply from combining x-axis and y-axis boosts, noting that velocity addition may not apply.
  • Reference is made to external sources for three-dimensional boosts, indicating a more general approach for arbitrary directions.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the input for hyperbolic functions, suggesting that the velocity parameter should be expressed as "rapidity" rather than direct velocity.
  • A participant presents a more complex matrix formulation involving a 4-vector and spherical polar coordinates for expressing the boost direction.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment that the direction of the boost may depend on the speed of the object being considered, particularly for sub-light speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the directionality of the boost and the appropriate formulation of the Lorentz transformation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions behind the matrix representations and the definitions of terms like "rapidity." The discussion also highlights the complexity of combining boosts in different spatial dimensions.

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Is there a general way of writing the Lorentz transformation for (2+1) dimension or higher, in terms of its hyperbolic angle, sinh and cosh ?
 
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This is a boost in the x direction with velocity \beta
\left[ \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \cosh(\beta) &amp; \sinh(\beta) &amp; 0 \\\<br /> \sinh(\beta) &amp; \cosh(\beta) &amp; 0 \\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right]<br />
 
Lut, isn't that a boost in the -x direction?
 
Mentz114 said:
This is a boost in the x direction with velocity \beta
\left[ \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \cosh(\beta) &amp; \sinh(\beta) &amp; 0 \\\<br /> \sinh(\beta) &amp; \cosh(\beta) &amp; 0 \\\<br /> 0 &amp; 0 &amp; 1 \end{array} \right]<br />

What about in a 2D plane ? I don't think it's just a matrix multiplication between x-axis boost and y-axis boost, or is it ? At least, addition of velocity is not the case.
 
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For three dimensions (but without hyperbolic angles) see Wikipedia. Scroll down to where it says "More generally for a boost in an arbitrary direction."
 
Peeter said:
Lut, isn't that a boost in the -x direction?

Yes, unless I'm mistaken, a boost in the positive x direction (output frame moving in the positive x direction wrt the input frame) has minus signs in front of the sinhs. Also, I think the input for cosh and sinh should be the velocity parameter or "rapidity", sometimes written phi, which is artanh(beta) = artanh(v/c), rather than the velocity itself - artanh being the inverse hyperbolic tangent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidity
 
Under the convention that a 4-vector is written as

\left[ \begin{array}{c}<br /> ct \\\<br /> \textbf{x} <br /> \end{array} \right]<br />​

(where x is the spatial 3-vector) it is

\left[ \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \cosh \psi &amp; &amp; -\textbf{e}^T \sinh \psi \\\ <br /> -\textbf{e} \sinh \psi &amp; &amp; \textbf{I} + (\cosh \psi - 1) \textbf{ee}^T} <br /> \end{array} \right]<br />​

where \textbf{e} c \tanh \psi is the 3-velocity vector of the boost (e being a unit 3-vector in the spatial direction of the velocity.)

If you want an answer entirely in trig-angles and hyperbolic-angles, write e in spherical polar coordinates:

\textbf{e} = \left[ \begin{array}{c}<br /> \cos \phi \sin \theta \\\<br /> \sin \phi \sin \theta \\\<br /> \cos\theta <br /> \end{array} \right]<br />​

and expand the matrix!
 
Peeter said:
isn't that a boost in the -x direction?

Only for retardyons moving at sub-light speeds:wink:.

You're right, sinh(beta) is negative for beta < 1.
 

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