Lorentz transformation where electric field vanishes

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a homogeneous electromagnetic field where the dot product of the electric field (E) and magnetic field (B) is zero, and E is not equal to cB. The objective is to determine the velocity of reference frames in which only the electric field exists.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of Lorentz transformation equations for electric and magnetic fields and question the necessity of the electromagnetic field tensor. There is consideration of invariants under Lorentz transformations and how to set B' to zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed using the condition E.B = 0 and suggested simplifying assumptions about the relationship between the velocity and the fields. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of these assumptions, particularly regarding the orientation of the velocity vector relative to E and B.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem, particularly concerning the conditions under which B' vanishes and the implications of the velocity vector's orientation.

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Homework Statement



We have an homogeneus electromagnetic field with [tex]E \bullet B=0[/tex] and [tex]E \neq cB[/tex]
Find the velocity of the reference frames in which ony E exists.

Homework Equations



[tex]\mathbf{E}' = \gamma \left( \mathbf{E} + \mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{B} \right ) - \left (\frac{\gamma-1}{v^2} \right ) ( \mathbf{E} \cdot \mathbf{v} ) \mathbf{v}[/tex]

[tex]\mathbf{B}' = \gamma \left( \mathbf{B} - \frac {\mathbf{v} \times \mathbf{E}}{c^2} \right ) - \left (\frac{\gamma-1}{v^2} \right ) ( \mathbf{B} \cdot \mathbf{v} ) \mathbf{v}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I guess I can't use the transformations for a boost in the x direction, so I guess I have to use the fact that

[tex]E \bullet B[/tex]
[tex]E^2-B^2[/tex]

are invariants under lorentz transformations.
But I don't know how to start. Do I need the EM field tensor for something?

Thanks
 
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First, if you don't set c = 1, your second invariant has a factor of c² missing (I let you find out where). But you won't need them for the solution to your problem anyway.

For this, you have already your transformation formulae for E and B, so just set B' = 0 ...
 
Hi,

Should I use the fact that E.B=E'.B'=0 and merge the equations from E' and B'?
Cause I don't see a simple way of taking the velocity out of there.

Thanks
 
Since you know that E.B = 0, surely, as an ansatz, v.B = 0 would greatly simplify the second equation. Then can v be parallel to E? Or must it be perpendicular also?

(If you don't believe in an ansatz, take E = (E, 0, 0) and B = (0, B, 0) and v = (vx,vy,vz). You can always choose your coordinate system that way, but in the end you have to figure out how to describe it without coordinate systems, which can be a bit ugly).
 
E can't be parallel to v or B' won't vanish, right?
 
Yes. So since now we know that v must be perpendicular to E and B, we can write v = s E x B, with s a scalar constant. Now you just plug in this v into your equation for B', use some vector analysis and find out s. Then, |v| = |s| |E| |B|.

(BTW: v can have a component parallel to E, but that won't contribute in the equation for B'. So what you calculate above is really the minimum velocity you need to make B' vanish. The question is ambiguous.)
 

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