Lost Energy from a Reciprocating Piston

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the energy loss associated with the deceleration of a piston in an internal combustion engine, particularly at bottom dead center (BDC) and top dead center (TDC). Participants explore the implications of piston speed, the role of the flywheel, and the mechanics of energy transfer within the engine, with a focus on theoretical and practical aspects of engine design and efficiency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the energy loss during piston deceleration, suggesting that significant energy is lost as heat at higher speeds, despite a professor's assertion that the flywheel recovers energy at low speeds.
  • Another participant argues that the professor's view is correct for normal engine speeds, implying that energy loss is not substantial enough to favor rotary engines over piston engines.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the forces acting on the piston during its motion, particularly the role of the crankshaft in deceleration.
  • There is a contention regarding the effectiveness of counterweights on the crankshaft in balancing the engine and whether they mitigate energy loss during piston deceleration.
  • One participant proposes using a theoretical single-cylinder engine setup for calculations to better understand energy dynamics.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that a balanced engine can fully recover energy lost by one piston through the action of another, citing the shared loads on bearings as a factor in energy loss.
  • Historical references to rotary engines and their efficiency issues are introduced, questioning the overall design and performance of different engine types.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent of energy loss during piston deceleration and the effectiveness of the flywheel and counterweights. There is no consensus on the implications of these factors, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the discussion, such as the need for specific calculations and theoretical models to quantify energy loss. The complexity of engine dynamics and the dependence on various design parameters are acknowledged but not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying mechanical engineering, automotive design, or thermodynamics, particularly in relation to internal combustion engines and energy efficiency.

  • #31
Consider a 4 stroke engine, with the piston at TDC on the intake stroke. The piston speed starts at zero and accelerates to its maximum speed. How do you think that happens?
 
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JAlda333 said:
I posted the topic for discussion. My goal is not to prove anyone wrong but to exchange ideas/views. If we do not openly share our thoughts, then there will be no discussion. Hopefully, we can all arrive on one conclusion. And if we still cannot agree, I will definitely not be the judge... but perhaps the readers may be able to. Thanks again.
The issue here is that reciprocating internal combustion engine technology is extremely mature, having well over a century of technological progress and billions of production examples. This area is very well understood and there is an objectively right or wrong answer here. It's not up for a debate or an 'exchange of ideas' in the sense that you can just claim something and have an inherent right to have people seriously consider your idea. If you're going to propose something and then disagree when people correct you, please have a valid reference supporting you.

If you can find a reference supporting your claim that there is significant energy loss due to acceleration/deceleration of the pistons, feel free to contact myself or another mentor and we can discuss reopening the thread. Until then, thread locked.
 
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