Lotto numbers and the heavier ball

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter gnikolaidis
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Ball Numbers
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on a method used by lotto operators involving a canister where balls are set into motion by pressurized air to determine winning numbers. A key observation is that a slightly heavier ball consistently emerges first when the motion ceases, akin to a physics experiment known as "Maxwell's Devil." Participants emphasize that the motion is not truly random due to the weight difference among the balls, which influences the outcome. The need for a theoretical explanation of the physics behind this phenomenon is highlighted, with requests for references to support further understanding.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic physics principles, particularly motion and gravity
  • Familiarity with concepts of weight distribution and its effects on movement
  • Knowledge of experimental design and replication in scientific experiments
  • Basic understanding of fluid dynamics as it relates to pressurized air
NEXT STEPS
  • Research "Maxwell's Demon" and its implications in statistical mechanics
  • Explore the principles of fluid dynamics in relation to ball motion in a canister
  • Investigate the physics of weighted objects in motion and their outcomes
  • Review experimental methods in physics for replicating similar phenomena
USEFUL FOR

Physics students, lottery operators, and anyone interested in the intersection of probability, physics, and experimental design will benefit from this discussion.

gnikolaidis
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I am referring to a method used by some lotto operators to determine the winning numbers. In the particular method a number of balls having the same size and (supposedly) weight are put inside a canister where the are put into random motion by means of pressurised air. At some point, the influx of pressurised air stops and slowly the balls come to rest - at which point a ball finds its way out from a hole at the bottom of the canister. Thus, and by referring to the number painted on the ball, the winning numbers are determined in succession.

However, I remember from my high school elementary physics course a similar experiment - which our physics professor code named "Maxwell's Devil" - where a number of balls where put into random motion inside a spinning sphere and at the end the same one ball always came out of the hole in the canister. It turned out that this particular ball was slightly heavier than the rest, thus forcing it self as the first ball always to come out.

I am trying to locate on the web a practical and theoretical explation of the physics involved, but unfortunately I cannot find anything related to this matter. Can anyone help with any references?

Thanks.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Geez, that doesn't sound right...
 
Well without knowing what you mean by "random motion inside a spinning canister", I doubt anyone here can explain it. Obviously the motion was not completely random, if results are preceded by the weights of the balls.
 
I'm imagining like... how they do the lotto on TV or some bingo halls with the balls flying around because there's a stream of compressed air being fired from the bottom up into the big sphere and one being pulled from the bottom after the air stops and all the balls fall down.

It might make sense if the balls were mixed up after the air was off because that might give the ball time to fall to the bottom of the group of balls.
 
KingNothing said:
Well without knowing what you mean by "random motion inside a spinning canister", I doubt anyone here can explain it. Obviously the motion was not completely random, if results are preceded by the weights of the balls.

Imagine the canister is a round sphere which is put into rotational motion with a number of balls inside it. As the sphere rotates with high speed the interaction of the balls with the walls of the canister and with each other makes them appear to move in a random motion, like the molecules of a hot gas. When the sphere comes to rest, the slightly heavier ball always comes out of the hole.

You are right that "random" is not appropriate, since the balls inside the sphere are not all of equal weight, one is slightly heavier. But to the observer, who does not know this fact, appears to be random.

The experiment works and I suppose anyone with the right equipment can replicate it. I need however an explanation of the phenomenon with the involved physics.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 45 ·
2
Replies
45
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
7K
  • · Replies 51 ·
2
Replies
51
Views
4K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
7K
  • · Replies 35 ·
2
Replies
35
Views
4K