Low Semicontinuity: Understanding Liminf & Diagrams

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The discussion revolves around the concept of lower semicontinuity in mathematical functions, particularly focusing on its definitions, implications, and related properties. Participants explore the equivalence between different definitions of lower semicontinuity, the interpretation of the limit inferior, and the characteristics of semicontinuous functions.

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  • Some participants clarify the definition of lower semicontinuity, noting that it can be expressed as \(\liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0)\).
  • One participant expresses confusion about the equivalence of the definitions and seeks clarification on the connection between them.
  • Another participant provides a reasoning process to demonstrate the equivalence, but acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the implications of \(\epsilon > 0\).
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the phrase "for every \(\epsilon > 0\)" in understanding the definition.
  • Participants discuss the interpretation of \(\liminf_{x \to x_0}\), with one clarifying that it refers to the infimum of all subsequential limits of \(f(x_n)\) as \(x_n\) approaches \(x_0\).
  • One participant introduces an alternate definition of lower semicontinuity from a textbook, noting its equivalence to the previously discussed definitions.
  • Another participant raises a question about the behavior of sequences converging to the infimum of a lower semicontinuous function and whether a constant sequence is valid.
  • Discussion includes a viewpoint on upper semicontinuity, contrasting it with lower semicontinuity in terms of value jumps at individual points.
  • One participant questions the lower semicontinuity of a specific function, prompting a response about the characteristics of characteristic functions of open sets.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and implications of lower semicontinuity, with some agreeing on certain points while others remain uncertain or confused about specific aspects. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points raised.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding the implications of the definitions and the behavior of sequences related to lower semicontinuity.

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Lower Semicontinuity

I found this in the web:
We say that f is lower semi-continuous at x_0 if for every \epsilon > 0 there exists a neighborhood U of x_0 such that f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in U. Equivalently, this can be expressed as

\liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0).

The first definition is quite clear to me (by looking at an example of lower semicontinuity diagram). But I don't understand its equivalence to the second definition. Could someone draw the connection?
 
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kaosAD said:
I found this in the web:
We say that f is lower semi-continuous at x_0 if for every \epsilon > 0 there exists a neighborhood U of x_0 such that f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in U. Equivalently, this can be expressed as

\liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0).

The first definition is quite clear to me (by looking at an example of lower semicontinuity diagram). But I don't understand its equivalence to the second definition. Could someone draw the connection?

Looks pretty straight forward to me. Suppose f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in some neighborhood U. Let xn be a sequence converging to x0. Then eventually, it will be in U. Since we can ignore x's that are not in U, its limit must satisfy lim f(x_n)\geq f(x_0) and so of course must lim inf.

Conversely suppose \liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0) and suppose there were no neighborhood U as above. Let Un be (x0- 1/n, x0+ 1/n). Since none of these can satisfy f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in Un, there must exist xn in Un such that f(x) \leq f(x_0) - \epsilon. But then, for that sequence, lim f(x_n)\leq f(x_0), contradicting \liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0).

Just in case some one out there is thinking "lower semi-continuous" must have something to do with "continuous", let me point out that the function f(x)= 1000 if x is not 0, 0 if x= 0 is lower semi-continuous at x=0!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Looks pretty straight forward to me. Suppose f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in some neighborhood U. Let xn be a sequence converging to x0. Then eventually, it will be in U. Since we can ignore x's that are not in U, its limit must satisfy lim f(x_n)\geq f(x_0) and so of course must lim inf.!
This is the part I don't understand. Suppose f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in some neighborhood U. Then for some x in the neighborhood of U, f(x) < f(x_0) may hold true since \epsilon >0. I am lost.

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Conversely suppose \liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0) and suppose there were no neighborhood U as above. Let Un be (x0- 1/n, x0+ 1/n). Since none of these can satisfy f(x) > f(x_0) - \epsilon for all x in Un, there must exist xn in Un such that f(x) \leq f(x_0) - \epsilon. But then, for that sequence, lim f(x_n)\leq f(x_0), contradicting \liminf_{x \to x_0} f(x) \geq f(x_0).
I agree with this one.
 
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Oh I see my problem now. The keyword that I missed was "for every \epsilon > 0, ..." .
I have one last question. How does one read \liminf_{x \to x_0}? Infimum of x at the limit point?
 
kaosAD said:
Oh I see my problem now. The keyword that I missed was "for every \epsilon > 0, ..." .
I have one last question. How does one read \liminf_{x \to x_0}? Infimum of x at the limit point?

No, the "infimum of x at x0" is x0!

Strictly speaking "lim inf" applies to sequences. Normally "lim inf xn" means the infimum of all subsequential limits. "lim inf f(x)", as x goes to x0 is the infinimum of all possible subsequential limits of {f(xn)} over all possible sequences {xn} converging to x0.
 
An alternate definition of lower semicontinuity (from Real and Complex Analysis, by Walter Rudin) is f:X\rightarrow \mathbb{R}, where X is a topological space is lower semicontinuous if

\left\{ x:f(x)>\alpha\right\}\mbox{ is an open set in X, } \forall \alpha\in\mathbb{R}.

It's not a friendly definition, but it is equivalent. Upper semicontinuity is defined the same with "<" in place of ">".
 
Infimum of semicontinuous function

hello again,

Let f be lower semicontinous function. Say the infimum of f exists and that f(x^*) = \inf_{x \in \textup{dom}(f)} f(x). Let \{x_k\} be a sequence converging to x^*. Since f is lower semicontinuous, so

\liminf_{k \to \infty} f(x_k) \geq f(x^*).

I am having problem imagining how the sequence would be like. The only one I can think of is \{x^*, x^*, x^*, \ldots \}. Is this valid?
 
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my favorite definition of upper semi continuous is that the value jumps up at individual points. e.g. the dimension of the kernel of a matrix of functions is upper semicontinuous, because the kernel can be bigger at points where the determinants of more submatrices vanish.

lower semi continuous is just the opposite: the value jumps down at points. so the dimension of the cokernel of a family of maps should do that i guess.
 
Sorry I am not able to comprehend your reply -- mainly due to my lack of understanding.

Anyway, I manage to clear my doubt now. Please ignore my silly 'sequence' in my last post.

However I've a new question. Supposing f, \{x_k\} and x^* are as defined in my last post. Since f is lower semicontinuous at x^*, hence

\liminf_{k \to \infty} f(x_k) \geq f(x^*) = \inf_{x \in \textup{ dom}(f)} f(x).

This can be equivalently written as \lim_{k \to \infty} f(x_k) \geq f(x^*). Is this true?
 
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epsilon, schmepsilon, if f(x) = 1 for all x except x=0, and f(0) = 0, is f lower semicontinuous?
 
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Sure, characteristic functions of open sets are always LSC (Lower SemiContinuous).
 

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