LQG, string theory and spinors - all achieve mathematical miracles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship and compatibility between Loop Quantum Gravity (LQG), string theory, and Penrose's spinor or twistor theory. Participants explore how these theories, which claim to achieve significant mathematical advancements, can coexist despite potential mutual exclusivity in their approaches to physics beyond the Standard Model.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that LQG, string theory, and Penrose's spinor or twistor theory all achieve mathematical miracles in their attempts to extend beyond the Standard Model.
  • One participant claims that only string theorists assert their theories produce mathematical miracles, while others believe they understand their theories' workings.
  • A participant references a connection between string theory and LQG, citing a specific paper that discusses a formula appearing in both theories.
  • Another participant notes that twistors are utilized in certain aspects of string theory, providing a link between the two theories.
  • There is a suggestion that these theories are not mutually exclusive but represent different approaches, similar to the various forms of string theory under "M" theory or the contrast between quantum theory and relativity.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether Penrose's work pertains to spinor theory or twistor theory, indicating a need for clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the theories are mutually exclusive, with some arguing they are different yet potentially compatible, while others highlight the distinct claims made by string theorists.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and applications of the theories discussed, particularly in distinguishing between spinor and twistor theories. There is also mention of the limitations of mathematical theories in relation to their applicability to the universe, emphasizing the role of experimental validation in physics.

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LQG, strink theory and Penrose's spinor theory, or maybe it's twistor theory, I don't know, all I know is that all three theories achieve mathematical miracles in their attempts to go beyond the Standard Model - how can all three theories do this but be mutually exclusive at the same time. Or maybe they're not mutually exclusive. Are they?
 
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g.lemaitre said:
LQG, strink theory and Penrose's spinor theory, or maybe it's twistor theory, I don't know, all I know is that all three theories achieve mathematical miracles in their attempts to go beyond the Standard Model - how can all three theories do this but be mutually exclusive at the same time. Or maybe they're not mutually exclusive. Are they?
Actually, only string theorists claim that their theories make mathematical miracles.
All the others claim that they actually understand how their theories work. :wink:
 
maybe i'll get some actual quotes
 
LQG, strink theory and Penrose's spinor theory...

not really mutually exclusive, but different...like the varieties of string theory trying to be combined under "M" theory...or quantum theory versus relativity...Not only are there lots of different mathematical theories, many of them don't apply at all to our universe...that's why physics has experiments to test what's 'real' and what is not.

Maybe Penrose DID work SPINOR theory, but I suspect you mean TWISTOR theory, a major effort of his for a long time...

You can read some about twistor string theory here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twistor_theory
 

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