What Caused the Deadly 2018 Indonesian Tsunami?

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The discussion revolves around the causes and effects of the 2018 Indonesian tsunami, particularly focusing on the seismic events leading up to it, including the main earthquake and its aftershocks. Participants explore the relationship between the earthquakes and the tsunami, as well as the impact on the affected areas.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note the occurrence of multiple foreshocks and aftershocks surrounding the main M7.5 earthquake, suggesting a complex seismic activity in the region.
  • There is a discussion about the tsunami wave heights, with some participants suggesting initial waves of 2 meters and subsequent runup reaching up to 6 meters.
  • One participant questions the capability of a M5.2 earthquake to generate a tsunami of significant size, expressing skepticism based on past reports.
  • Another participant highlights the potential for seafloor displacement due to the M7.5 earthquake, despite its inland location, suggesting that the fault's characteristics may allow for such displacement.
  • Participants reference the concept of "static coulomb stress" and its implications for understanding the stress changes in the crust following the earthquake.
  • There are mentions of the tsunami's impact on the local population, with reports of confirmed deaths and missing persons, indicating the severity of the disaster.
  • Some participants discuss the geographical features of the bay and how they may have contributed to wave amplification during the tsunami.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the relationship between the earthquakes and the tsunami, with no consensus on the specific mechanisms that caused the tsunami. There is also disagreement regarding the estimated wave heights and the effectiveness of the tsunami warning system.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about the geological characteristics of the region and the limitations of available data regarding the tsunami's wave heights and the earthquake's impact.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying seismology, tsunami dynamics, disaster response, and the geological features of Indonesia.

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from my recorder just before it started over writing the signal …

180928  UT M7.5 Indonesia zhi.gif
There were M4.8, 4.7 and 6.1 foreshocks prior to the main M7.5 main shock
since then there have been M5.8, 5.7, 5.8, 5.4, 5.1, 5.1 aftershocks

Map of the area …

180928  UT M6.1, 7.5 and aftershocks Indonesia.jpg
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Oops, that sounds serious. You already trained me to automatically first ask: Depth? Thank you, Mr. Pavlov, Sir!
 
Borneo?
 
Region is Sulawesi Tengah (Central Sulawesi). Borneo or Kalimantan is west across Makassar Strait.

Looking at USGS site, all preceding and subsequent quakes are shallow (10 km), except for M 6.1 - 55km NNW of Palu, Indonesia.
 
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StevieTNZ said:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12133935

Only became aware of it now... didn't see anything this morning on the online news.
that will teach you for not following me :wink: :-p
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Borneo?

As Astronuc said, no.

That is Borneo that you can partly see in the upper left of the map

And this event has produced a 2 metre tsunami that have caused further damage.



Dave
 
I read this morning that there were tsunami waves of up to 3 meters in Palu and up to 6 m in some places. Perhaps the initial waves were 2 m and subsequent runup was up to 6 m?

Death toll is at least 400.

The 7.5 mag earthquake was inland. So what is this earthquake that caused the tsunami, since it was undersea?
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us1000h3t2#executive
M 5.2 - 106km NNW of Palu, Indonesia
2018-09-28 14:26:00 UTC
Location 0.022°N 119.576°E, Depth 10.0 km

Or was the 7.5 mag earthquake large enough to cause seafloor displacement?

The 7.5 mag and related earthquakes occurred in the Palu-Koro fault zone.
http://temblor.net/earthquake-insig...gering-a-tsunami-and-likely-more-shocks-7797/

Today’s M 7.5 earthquake has changed the stresses within the crust surrounding the earthquake. The amount of this stress change is moderate, especially when compared with the amount of stress that is typically released during an earthquake.

This change in stress is called a change in “static coulomb stress” and a paper that discusses the fundamental factors controlling these stress increases is from Lin and Stein (2004). There is software available to the public from the USGS to perform these calculations. This software is called “Coulomb 3” and is available online here. An introduction to this software and the physics behind the calculations can be found in Stein (2003)

Seismic and Tsunmai Hazard Potential in Sulawesi Island, Indonesia
https://ir.lib.hiroshima-u.ac.jp/files/public/3/31339/20141016181157824412/JIDC_17-1_17.pdf
 
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Astronuc said:
I read this morning that there were tsunami waves of up to 3 meters in Palu and up to 6 m in some places. Perhaps the initial waves were 2 m and subsequent runup was up to 6 m?

I tend to agree, specially when I watched the video(s) in the links I posted. It appeared that there was a smaller initial wave,
that can be seen washing through the street and building by the seashore and the larger second wave in the background.
It was then followed by that much larger wave that hit with a lot of force completely covering those buildings on the shoreline
and being a considerable way up that large street sign on the right side of the video which is much higher than the buildings.

It is very hard to estimate heights of waves when videoed from an angle looking down on them

Astronuc said:
The 7.5 mag earthquake was inland. So what is this earthquake that caused the tsunami, since it was undersea?
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us1000h3t2#executive
M 5.2 - 106km NNW of Palu, Indonesia
2018-09-28 14:26:00 UTC
Location 0.022°N 119.576°E, Depth 10.0 km

I strongly doubt a 5.2 could produce a tsunami, specially one of that size. I have never seen such reported in the past.

Tho they show the location of the 7.5 as being on land, remember there is a reasonable error circle around that location
and the fault that it occurred on is offshore, so seafloor displacement is likely.

Tho the fault is noted as being primarily strike-slip, it obviously does have an oblique slip component ... see the "beachball" moment tensor solution

upload_2018-9-30_11-41-43.png
That solution allows for a vertical offset of the seafloor.
Astronuc said:
The 7.5 mag and related earthquakes occurred in the Palu-Koro fault zone.
http://temblor.net/earthquake-insig...gering-a-tsunami-and-likely-more-shocks-7797/
Excellent article …. it amazes me how fast they can produce indepth info for events.
And it was good to see the offshore fault location

(cropped to fit here)

upload_2018-9-30_11-48-40.png

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OK with a bit of searching, I have discovered where that video of the tsunami was taken from. It was from right at the head of that long narrow bay.
This leads to the possibility of wave amplification as it travels up the bay.

some severely reduced in size pic's from road level view.

1) aerial view of the immediate area

180928 Palu city aerial view.JPG
2) the carpark spiral ramp from where the video was done . The Mosque can be seen in behind the ramp. It was severely damaged in the quake shaking.
To the left side of the image is a red mast/pole, just past the street lamp pole ( the unfinished mast is where there is now a large black sign with red writing
on it ( obviously not finished when Google went through here with their street cameras)
The videographer was standing with the other people at that narrower ( in height) level, level with the word "SIMPLY"

180928 Tsunami filming location Palu, Sulawesi1sm.jpg
3) looking further to the left ( west)

180928 Tsunami filming location Palu, Sulawesi2sm.jpg
4) and further again to the left ….

180928 Tsunami filming location Palu, Sulawesi3sm.jpg
go to the location in google Earth and go into street view for a larger sized image ...
Lat -0.883346 Long 119.843607

The first thing that becomes very apparent is the changes of height from beach level to the upper road/bottom of car ramp level.
I found one spot where there was a clear view of the sea between buildings and there would appear to be approx. one to two metres
between sea level and those shoreline building floor level. The building floor level is just a little below road level

Now note from the video, the wave came right over the tops of those shoreline buildings and to around half way up that that large signage
pole (red on GE, painted white in the video). This infers a wave height of at least 4 metres and possibly more at this location.Dave
 

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At least 800 confirmed dead in city, sadly thrice more expected, but no signs of life in big town further along coast.

Looks bad...
:-((
 
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Nik_2213 said:
At least 800 confirmed dead in city, sadly thrice more expected, but no signs of life in big town further along coast.

Looks bad...
:-((
yeah, very bad and sad :frown:
 

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