# Magnet repulsive force -- how long does it last?

• cel123456
In summary: Unfortunately here you are being imprecise [e.g. you just say "force", without specifying if you mean a single force or the resultant], so it's hard to tell if what you wrote is correct or incorrect.
cel123456 said:
As we know the magnet will stop to repel each other after some time, is there any formulae to calculate when it will stop? From common sense, how long magnet will stop repel each other? 1years?
Sounds like you are asking if there is an energy drain in the magnets that will eventually lead to a demagnetized state of the magnets. Magnets are perpetual—never dying—unless some outside influence changes them.

JackCatDaily said:
Sounds like you are asking if there is an energy drain in the magnets that will eventually lead to a demagnetized state of the magnets. Magnets are perpetual—never dying—unless some outside influence changes them.
The point is, there is an energy drain. Magnetization is a store of energy. There are processes which convert magnetization energy into heat. So the question is, are there any quantitative expressions for the speed of spontaneous demagnetization?

Dale
snorkack said:
So the question is, are there any quantitative expressions for the speed of spontaneous demagnetization?
Statistical mechanics say it is the factor of
$$e^{\frac{-E_g}{k_BT}}$$
where E_g is an energy gap to overcome potential peaks to other states.

Keith_McClary
Also, if you point the magnets in the same direction as the Earths magnetic field, they should (theoretically) last longer. The website Keith_Mclary posted said magnets should be stored in the same direction as nearby magnets.

The website Keith_Mclary posted said magnets should be stored in the same direction as nearby magnets.
I think it means the opposite:
Keep the magnets attracting in a row, and where the rows are attracting

Also, if you point the magnets in the same direction as the Earths magnetic field, they should (theoretically) last longer.
You need to be realistic about this. The 'rules' for looking after permanent magnets were formulated when the best we could do involved using a suitable steel alloy and a suitable shape (such as a horseshoe. Keepers and proper storage boxes were important. Nowadays, we have fantastically strong PMs, made from fancy alloys and they can be used for decades (centuries?) for simple jobs like door catches, without needing special storage with keepers

But all this depends on what a magnet is to be used for. If a permanent magnet is ever to be used in a measurement process then some calibration could be needed. (Analogue meters for instance depend on the field inside to be unchanging.) As with al Engineering, the numbers count and you'd need to do much better than use a word like "last".

I trawled around for some hard facts about this. Most manufacturers are a bit vague but I did find this link which says 5% loss in 100 years for a neodymium magnet. If my old Avometer was 5% out after 100 years, I wouldn't feel too bad about it (but it won't have a neodymium magnet in it, of course).

Feel free to trawl for your own information.

Keith_McClary
sophiecentaur said:
You need to be realistic about this. The 'rules' for looking after permanent magnets were formulated when the best we could do involved using a suitable steel alloy and a suitable shape (such as a horseshoe. Keepers and proper storage boxes were important. Nowadays, we have fantastically strong PMs, made from fancy alloys and they can be used for decades (centuries?) for simple jobs like door catches, without needing special storage with keepers
Every little thing helps. For instance, the solar panels are said to be good for 25 years. If we could increase that to 27 years that is a worthwhile improvement.
sophiecentaur said:
But all this depends on what a magnet is to be used for. If a permanent magnet is ever to be used in a measurement process then some calibration could be needed. (Analogue meters for instance depend on the field inside to be unchanging.) As with al Engineering, the numbers count and you'd need to do much better than use a word like "last".

I trawled around for some hard facts about this. Most manufacturers are a bit vague but I did find this link which says 5% loss in 100 years for a neodymium magnet. If my old Avometer was 5% out after 100 years, I wouldn't feel too bad about it (but it won't have a neodymium magnet in it, of course).

Feel free to trawl for your own information.
I guess my question is, did they actually store a neodymium magnet for 100 years or just measured it for a few years and assumed a linear movement? There are a lot of variables influencing the age of magnet such as North pole shifting, random solar bursts of radiation and other things. I have no idea how much the North pole effects magnets, I guess you would have to sit a bunch of magnets (8 per direction, and then 4 different types of magnets) in the same room as other magnets in different directions (20 id say, in total 640 magnets) then measure the magnetism after 100 years, as well as making sure the room is/was temperature uniform throughout all areas.

Keith_McClary said:
I think it means the opposite:
Not sure I understand, the website says to keep the magnets attracting, which is what I suggested.