Magnet therapy and magnetic blood

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the plausibility of magnetic therapy, specifically the use of magnetic bracelets for healing conditions like arthritis. Participants explore the claims regarding the magnetic properties of blood and whether magnets can influence blood circulation.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that magnetic bracelets cannot affect blood circulation, citing that if blood were magnetic, people would experience adverse effects in MRI machines.
  • Another participant describes the sale of magnetic products as pseudoscience, sharing a perspective that these claims are unfounded and exploitative.
  • Some participants clarify the magnetic properties of blood, noting that while bulk iron is magnetic, hemoglobin's properties depend on its oxygenation state, which complicates the argument made by those in favor of magnetic therapy.
  • A participant expresses relief at the skepticism towards the claims of magnetic therapy, suggesting that attempting to redirect blood flow could be dangerous.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of magnetic therapy claims, with some firmly rejecting the idea while others attempt to defend it based on misconceptions about blood's magnetic properties. No consensus is reached regarding the effectiveness of magnetic therapy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights misunderstandings about the magnetic properties of blood and the implications of using magnets for medical purposes. There are unresolved questions about the scientific basis of the claims made by proponents of magnetic therapy.

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Hello, Newbie here. Guess this is going to be a pretty odd first post.

I've recently been having a discussion with a few friends, regarding whether it's plausible that magnetic bracelets could have any form of healing potential (for arthritis and similar conditions). To me, my friends lack of logic is hugely depressing, as I've been trying to explain to them that it's not plausible for magnets to have an effect on blood circulation. (Everyone else in the discussion was in favor of using magnets to redirect blood flow, so my brain is now melting... )

They claim that the iron in blood is magnetic, therefore can be directed to certain locations within the body by use of magnets. I've been trying to explain to them that if this were true, people would explode when placed in MRI scanners. And that since people do not explode when MRI'd, a tiny magnet will have zero impact upon blood flow.

Am I wrong? :confused: (Much to my regret, I didn't do Physics as a subject beyond GCSE - but I became a maths graduate instead). I'm aware that magnet therapy is considered pseudoscience, I just find it really depressing that nobody in the conversation understood exactly how implausible it was.

Would someone mind giving a better explanation of what would happen if blood were magnetic?
 
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In a word, “HOGWASH”. I have seen charlatans pass through towns in Central Brasil selling magnetic pillows, bracelets, toilet seats, and even mattresses. They convince poor uneducated folks these things will help cure all their ailments, take large sums of money from them and then disappear over the horizon, never to be seen again.

Do not be fooled by “pseudoscience”. Here’s what the American Cancer Society says:

“Although there are reports of individuals being healed by magnetic therapy, available scientific evidence does not support these claims. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considers these magnets harmless and of no use for medical purposes.”
http://www.cancer.org/treatment/tre...ine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/magnetic-therapy
 
Thanks for some sanity :)
 
It's a good thing this is nonsense, diverting blood sounds like a pretty dangerous thing to try and do!
 
They claim that the iron in blood is magnetic

Bulk iron is magnetic.

While hemoglobin exhibits diamagnetic or paramagnetic properties, this is not due to iron being part of the protein molecule, but is due to whether the blood is oxygenated or not.

So your friends' logic seems to be illogical
 
256bits said:
Bulk iron is magnetic.

While hemoglobin exhibits diamagnetic or paramagnetic properties, this is not due to iron being part of the protein molecule, but is due to whether the blood is oxygenated or not.

So your friends' logic seems to be illogical

Thanks, that's added another layer of illogic to their argument...
 

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