How can magnetic dipole derivations be solved without using the force equation?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the behavior of a magnetic dipole moment (m) in a magnetic field (B) without relying on the force equation. Participants highlight the use of the Lorentz force law applied to an infinitesimal current loop, emphasizing that while the derivation for arbitrary shapes is complex, a rectangular loop simplifies the process. Key equations mentioned include F=grad(m.B) and N=mxB, with references to established texts by Jackson and Griffiths for further insights. The conversation also touches on the use of Levi-Civita symbols in the derivation process.

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  • Understanding of magnetic dipole moments and their representation.
  • Familiarity with the Lorentz force law and its applications.
  • Knowledge of vector calculus, particularly gradient and cross product operations.
  • Experience with Taylor series expansions in physics contexts.
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  • Review the concepts of magnetic potential energy, specifically U=-mu.B.
  • Investigate the differences between the approaches of Jackson and Griffiths regarding magnetic dipoles.
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Kolahal Bhattacharya
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this is not homework help.I want to know.

Hello,can anyone suggest why for a dipole m placed in a magnetic field B
F=grad(m.B)
and N=mxB?
 
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Kolahal Bhattacharya said:
Hello,can anyone suggest why for a dipole m placed in a magnetic field B
F=grad(m.B)
and N=mxB?

Take an infinitesimal current loop of arbitrary shape and use the Lorentz force law.
 
siddharth said:
Take an infinitesimal current loop of arbitrary shape and use the Lorentz force law.
That will work, but the derivation is a bit involved for an arbitrary shape.
If you are satisfied with doing it for a rectangular loop, that is easier for the torque. Once you know the torque, you can show U=-mu.B, and then
use F=-grad U.
If you model the magnetic dipole as two magnetic poles, then the derivations are just the same as for electric dipoles, which are easier.
 
To Siddharth:I found your approach in jackson.However,Griffiths also asks in his exercise to do in the same way.Only Jackson used J while Griffiths prefers I (in his hint).
I got upto:
F=I* closed int{dl x [(r. grad_0)B](r_0)} where dl is infinitesimal loop element; and the right portion is obtained after Taylor series expansion.
Now griffiths and Jackson says to use Levi-Civita symbols...
I was trying to insert the result: vector area a= (1/2)int{ r x I) inside the integral extracting (dl x r) so that I can get 'a' inside the integral and then have dm inside.But got stuck.It appears I am near the way but cannot get it.
Please help.

The other approach ultimately assumes F=grad(m.B).So, I prefer not to use it.
 

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